Breaking Bad creator Vince Gilligan is still remaining tight-lipped on details concerning the final eight episodes but is opening up about Walt’s character and designing a finale.

In a new interview with Vulture, Gilligan says that they just wrapped up editing the second to last episode of season 6 (also known as the final eight episodes). But it was what Gilligan had to say about the character of Walt that stood out most out to us:

“Walt has behaved at times in what could be regarded as an evil fashion, but I don’t think he’s an evil man,” he said. “He is an extremely self-deluded man. We always say in the writers’ room, if Walter White has a true superpower, it’s not his knowledge of chemistry or his intellect, it’s his ability to lie to himself. He is the world’s greatest liar. He could lie to the Pope. He could lie to Mother Teresa. He certainly could lie to his family, and he can lie to himself, and he can make these lies stick. He can make himself believe, in the face of all contrary evidence, that he is still a good man. It really does feel to us like a natural progression down this road to hell, which was originally paved with good intentions.”

Elsewhere in the wide-ranging interview, Gilligan revealed that the most painful Breaking Bad scene for him to watch is when Victor’s throat gets slit with a box cutter. “I found that agonizing to watch. Again, hopefully it goes without saying that moments like that are meant to do the opposite of make violence look attractive or sexy,” says Gilligan. “They are meant to unsettle and upset. People could argue, and I would not argue back, that Breaking Bad is oftentimes too violent. But the only thing that would really trouble me is if anyone said Breaking Bad sells violence in an attractive fashion, like something for young men to strive for. That would hurt, but I don’t think we do that.”

You can read much, much more with Gilligan over on Vulture. Breaking Bad season 6 premieres August 11 on AMC.