Secret Diaries Chat
Episode #11 – Prom Before Sunset

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by Sarah Maloy
@smaloy

Posted on 6:20 pm,
May 8, 2012

Secret Diaries Chat is back for another week to discuss the penultimate episodes of The Vampire Diaries and The Secret Circle, “Before Sunset” and “Prom.”

This week’s panel consists of Selina, Laura, Jen and Sarah.

The Secret Circle discussion starts at 26:00, and the Listener Feedback section starts at 57:00.

In the Vampire Diaries discussion, we talk about episode 21, “Before Sunset”:
- Is Elena in transition? Is she affected by the spell cast on Klaus? What is going on?!
- We mourn good ol’ Ric and discuss the new Evil Alaric. There’s really no way to turn the audience against him, right? Wrong.
- We discuss the plan to dump Klaus in the Atlantic.
- Who should Elena choose? We continue the evergreen discussion of Stefan vs. Damon vs. every other boy in the world, including Matt.
- We think there will definitely be consequences to stopping Jeremy’s heart.
- Caroline was incredibly cold to Klaus… and Sarah is still hardcore shipping that pair.

In the Secret Circle episode this week, we flashed back to the past and learned some shocking realities. In the “Prom” discussion:
- The last circle was ALL pregnant in high school? That’s crazy. (And pretty confusing… how does it even make sense?)
- Charles was so awkward this week, especially when it came to Diana and prom.
- Laura loved watching John torture Charles… but we all wonder how he knew exactly what happened to Amelia.
- We discuss who could die in the finale episode: Charles? Ethan? A member of the current circle? A few of us argue Charles, Sarah thinks it could be multiple people.
- Cassie is living alone… where is social services? Oh yeah, this is the CW.
- We’re glad to see Melissa as more than Faye’s sidekick.
- It would be great to see Melissa and Adam just be close friends… that never happens on TV!
- And finally, the question on all of our minds, will The Secret Circle be renewed for a second season? Laura offers some great perspective on the fate of the show!

Listener Feedback:
- One listener, Emily, is pretty sick of both Elena and Cassie! We discuss the merits of well-developed side characters and Emily’s reasonings for disliking the leading ladies.
- More listeners discuss the developments with Alaric.
- A listener discusses Dawn’s motives and we contemplate just what ulterior motives she’s working on. She also discusses Diana and Charles, the size of the previous circle, and Faye’s kidnapping — did John let her get taken on purpose?
- Nick’s disappearance and then return was pointless. We hope he’s gone for good.

Don’t forget to follow Secret Diaries Chat on Twitter @SecretDiariesTV, email secretdiaries@hypable.com, or use the comments below this post to share your thoughts on the show and the podcast! We look forward to reading your theories, and they may just be featured on next week’s FINALE podcast!

This episode's hosts: Selina Wilken, Laura Byrne-Cristiano, Sarah Maloy, Jen Lamoreaux

Kelly Barker

Elena passed out because she (irresponsibly) drank alcohol when she didn’t have much blood in system. I don’t think it had anything to do with supernatural elements.
- http://twitter.com/smaloy Sarah Maloy
  
  Leave it to us to not even think of the most logical explanation! ;)
  - Kelly Barker
    
    Haha :D You never know when it comes to this show!
Gary65

I’m pretty sure that the Salvatores have put Klaus in a coffin. What they intend to do is throw the coffin into the ocean and have it be lost at sea, thus impossible to find again. If you remember, that’s Elijah thought had happened to the rest of the Original family and that’s why he wanted to kill Klaus in season 2.

And unless Osama’s gonna wash up somewhere in the next few months, I’m pretty sure throwing Klaus into the sea is a pretty foolproof way to go. Maybe they can have a little party with Ursala the Seawitch on the ocean floor(who knows what movie that’s from?) :D
- Tony
  
  I’m not so sure. If one of his siblings decided to find him, they could use their blood and a witch for a locator-spell, and then a) compel a submarine and crew to dive for Klaus or b) take advantage of their indestructibility, go out with a boat and then dive for the body themselves.
  - Gary65
    
    Yeah they’re indestructible but they can still die, as we saw in Elijah’s debut. Sure they can heal themselves and come back to life but it’s hard to do that when you’re being consistently crushed by the pressure and have no chance to swim away. So I don’t think they’ll go diving any time soon.
    
    Also, the currents would shift the coffin so you’d need to do a new locator spell every 5 secs. And it’s hard to retrieve something that small with a sub.
    
    But we’re getting too far into the semantics here and it may be a moot point anyway. As we can see from a sneak peek from next week’s ep, they have not actually thrown him in the ocean yet.
    - Tony
      
      Hmm, didn’t consider that.
      Yes, we only see him in that storage unit, don’t we? Wonder if the writers will review Klaus soon or not, love the character and Joseph Morgan’s acting.
Gary65

Guys this HUUUUUUUUUGE theory just popped into my head as I was listening to the ep. We know that, for some reason, Mikael attacked Abby and she desiccated him(I have no idea how she managed to overpower him and make a connection to his heart to desiccate him but let’s put that aside for a sec). We know that, in order to do the spell, the witch has to stop a human heart. What if it was Bonnie’s heart that she stopped to do the spell?

What if Mikael was going to kill her and she was so desperate, she just went mad, killed Bonnie and lashed out(if she had been dabbling in dark magic at the time, it is possible she just went crazy)? Then when Mikael was desiccated and she came back to sanity, she realized what she’s done and resurrected Bonnie, like Bonnie did for Jeremy in season 2. As punishment for resurrecting the dead, she lost her magic(thus explaining why she had none when Bonnie found her). Abby was so wracked by guilt over what she’d done to her only daughter that she abandoned her.

This would be such a twist and would be SOOOOOOO cool. Plus it would actually make me take interest in Abby as a character lol
- Tucker
  
  I hope Bonnie gets killed, hate her character so much.
  - Gary65
    
    Ugh. Enough with the Bonnie hate already. What is with the fans of this show that they automatically hate anyone who reacts the way a normal person reacts to all the crap that’s happening around them?
    - Tucker
      
      Bonnie is just a negative person who never gets over her grudges.
      - Gary65
        
        Grudges setting in motion the events that killed he Grandmother and turned one of her best friends into a vampire? She has perfectly valid reasons to dislike vampires and Damon in particular.
- Tuckerconley
  
  I’m still thinking the big twist is Elena starts to become a vampire.
  - Gary65
    
    As do I but I think it would be premature to suggest that there will only be one twist in the finale. We know he writers better than that by now.
- Tony
  
  It would be awesome! Brilliant!
  
  I personally think that Abby killed Matt’s dad. We don’t know much about him, just that he isn’t around, and it would create some amazing tension.
  - Gary65
    
    Yeah. It would be a total shoe-on-the-other-foot too. Bonnie hates vamps cos she’s lost so many relatives to them and she’s seen the way vamps have abused the witch race. Now Matt can hate all witches cos they killed his dad. Wonder how Bonnie would react to that.
    
    Speaking of dads, we’ve never seen Bonnie’s dad either. Which is weird considering he’s her only living relative left.
    - Tony
      
      I would actually love that. I love Bonnie, and I like that at least her reaction to Damon and Stefan murdering people is ‘oh well, they are vampires, lets pout and move on’. But sometimes she sees things in black and white, and maybe her mother having killed Matt’s dad would give her perspective.
      No, we haven’t, which is sad; it makes me wonder if the writers are interested in giving Bonnie’s character more substance or not. Giving her a likable family would make feeling empathy for her easier.
      - Gary65
        
        As he’s not a witch, I can sort of understand why they haven’t introduced him(and if they did, he’d be non-supernatural and thus prime murder victim material). That said, we have very little perspective for Bonnie and that’s one of the reasons viewers don’t get along with her character IMO.
        
        I feel like we’re the only ones who like Bonnie. Everyone seems to hate her, Elena and Cassie. Dunno why. I think they’re great.
Gary65

You guys are assuming that all 12 witch parents, were the same age, which is highly unlikely. I’d say Jake’s parents were a year or 2 older than Elizabeth and Amelia were. I’d say Amelia was 18 or so and Jake’s parents were near 20.

Also, we know there is a fairly strong witch presence in Chance Harbour(the Nedaros coven, Calvin Wilson’s family and our Circle being just a snippet). I would hazard a guess that 6 of the parents are descended from the families that fled the Salem Witch Trials. The other 5(John’s from out of town) probably came from the extended witch community. The only members of the parent circle we know of are Amelia and Elizabeth. We have no idea which parents make up the other 4.Also, remember that Heather Barnes, the girl who had the demon in her in episode 4, was on the boat(I think?) and she was just a regular human. Also, Lucy was a psychic, not a witch, and she was there too so not everyone on the boat was magical.
Gary65

In Sacrifice, after John blew up Sam, he admitted he still had some of his dark magic and just lied cos he wanted Cassie not to use dark magic either. It was kind of a lead by example thing. Plus, Charles did the spell on Amelia with a crystal that was almost out of magic(it ran out of power a few eps later) so I don’t think that spell used up a lot of magic in the first place.
Emily Zitterkopf

PLEASE DON’T STOP THE PODCAST BECAUSE OF TSC!!!!
http://twitter.com/EmilGirl21 Emily

I’m sad that the Secret Circle isn’t going to be renewed. I’m going to read the books to know how things would have turned out. I think Elena is in transition into becoming a vampire. I wonder if her dopplengangerness will affect her transition. I also agree that Caroline seemed really cold about Klaus even though they had seemed to have a moment at the school. It seemed to be an inconsistent portrayal of her character. The writers choice to put her in a situation where she is celebrating cheerily his death was strange. I think they should have at least shown her show a little bit of sadness.
http://twitter.com/_clearmyhead K

I hope there will still be a podcast for the season finale of TVD and series finale (unfortunately) of TSC. :(

Secret Diaries Chat Episode #11 – Prom Before Sunset

Secret Diaries Chat
Episode #11 – Prom Before Sunset