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Posted on 9:27 am,
April 9, 2012

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Episode #8 of Secret Diaries Chat is here! In this episode the hosts discuss last week’s episodes of The Vampire Diaries and The Secret Circle, “The Murder of One” and “Sacrifice.”

This week it’s Selina, Laura and Jen tackling the huge game changer on The Vampire Diaries, and once again delving into the mystery of the other Blackwell child on The Secret Circle (what, there’s magic too?). If you are so inclined, you can skip ahead to the Secret Circle part of the podcast, which starts at 27:15 minutes in, or skip that part and head to the Listener Feedback, which starts at 54:50.

In the discussion of The Vampire Diaries 3×18 “The Murder of One,” Jen and Selina discuss:
- Who’s the Salvatores’ sire? We give our official predictions!
- Will Rebekah stay in Mystic Falls?
- Bonnie and Caroline heading down opposite paths… one of the hosts admits she doesn’t like Bonnie!
- Damon/Elena/Stefan – where do they go from here?
- Finn/Sage: new OTP? Oh wait, they died
- Is Alaric a goner?

Laura leads the discussion for The Secret Circle 1×18 “Sacrifice,” and topics include:
- Eben resurrecting the demons – what was he thinking?!
- Blackwell having magic didn’t seem to surprise the Circle
- What is John Blackwell’s endgame?
- Promo talk! Blackwell’s child is the main topic of discussion
- Adam working his way through the Circle – is Melissa next?!
- Who’s the traitor (not trader)?
- We think that Grant is up to something

In the Listener Feedback section, we talk about whether the kids in Mystic Falls ever go to school, and hear more theories about the second Blackwell child.

Contribute your theories and thoughts to the next episode of the Secret Diaries Chat by commenting on this post, emailing secretdiaries@hypable.com or tweeting us @SecretDiariesTV!

This episode's hosts: Selina Wilken, Jen Lamoreaux, Laura Byrne-Cristiano

  • Gary65

    Excellent timing you guys. You released the ep exactly midway through the hiatus. This ought to carry me through to April 19th :D

    Will chime in again tomorrow after I’ve listened to the ep ;)

  • Theaterboy1

    Ok my thoughts on the traitor from The Secret Circle: My first thought was Ethan but if it is indeed one of the adults and if this person is using magic to help the witch hunters now then one of the adults would have to have magic (probably from Charles and Dawn’s crystal) because so far that is the only shred of magic the adults have ever used in the show otherwise someone is taking a page out of John Blackwell’s book and is lying about not having at least some of their powers without the aid of a crystal. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Charles, Dawn, and Ethan had been lying to each other this whole time and one of them actually had their full powers? Another thing to consider is that we have not met Melissa’s parent yet, so what if it was this parent (or someone else we haven’t yet met) that is the traitor? One last MAJOR theory: You all said it had to be one of the adults who were on the boat…but what if it was one of THEIR parents who knew about the meeting on the boat, like Charles’ mom, Jane, or Jake’s grandfather? Granted it would be less likely to be Jane but it’s just my theory. No one considered the possibility that it could be an elder (who all still have their full powers). I know this was a long message, sorry. I just thought of that last theory but I think it’s a strong possibility.

  • Emily Zitterkopf

    For TVD, I believe that Katherine is coming back.  I think that she has the stake and is going to kill Klaus.  We all know that she comes back at the most unexpected times and shocks us.  I think she has been watching what is going on in Mystic Falls and took the stake. She has been invited into his loft from when Klaus was taking over his body so she would have no problem getting in. I think she will have the answers to who turned Rose and what originals can be killed.

  • Gary65

    Is anyone highly amused by the fact that, by killing Finn(and thus killing all the people he changed and all the people Sage changed and all the people they changed etc.), with the exception of the Originals, Matt now has the highest kill count out of all the VD characters, possibly tied with Reaper Stefan? He def now has the highest kill count of any character born within the last century ROFL

    Is it possible that Tatia sired Rose? If not, then it’s most likely Elijah. When we were introduced to Rose, she and Trevor were fleeing from Elijah because they betrayed him by changing Katherine. It was ELIJAH they were running from for 500 years, not Klaus. This would seriously increase Elijah’s chances of being the sire.

    I think you guys are being too hard on Bonnie. Remember that, when the Council tried to kill all the vamps in season 1, she saved Damon’s life. She is a good character. But she has a lot of reasons to hate vamps. Stefan and Damon’s obsession with Katherine and their attempt to break into Fell’s tomb killed her Grandma. Damon “killed” her mom. Not to mention the fact that vamps are against nature and, as children of nature, witches have an inherent dislike of them. Her mother abandoned her in the first place after Mikael attacked her. Vampires have played an instrumental role in stripping Bonnie of all her witch relations. She has no one left. 

    Yeah, it was a little misguided that she blamed Elena for her mom turning but she was the reason Damon turned her. She had a right to be angry. And, while I do remember her being horrified when she realized that Caroline was a vamp and had killed the guy she had been flirting with earlier, I don’t remember Bonnie abandoning her. Bonnie even made her a day ring almost immediately. Bonnie never left her. But she has been clear that she doesn’t like vamps(which, all things considered, would be what is considered normal. Most people don’t like vamps. The blood-sucking thing is a bit of a turn-off). I think the writers have just done a very poor job developing her character overall.

    I think we need to give Diana a pass with her reaction to Grant’s lie. First of all, the last 2 guys who lied to her about who he was ended up trying to kill her(Jake and the witch hunter Luke). With all the complications she has to deal with as a member of the Circle, I think she’s sick of lying and just wanted someone normal. Plus, when he suggested taking her away with him at the ice-rink. She seemed really into it. When she snapped at Cassie, I really got the sense that Diana is sick of the Circle and just wanted a normal life. You said in the last ep that you thought Adam and Cassie were the 2 most likely to leave the Circle. I think it’s actually Diana. She seemed really into the idea of this guy just taking her away from it all and that dream, however fleeting, died when she realized he wasn’t who she thought. I think all this Circle drama is just really getting to Diana and she’s tired of it.

    HUGE BRAINWAVE HERE. What if the traitor is Jake’s mom? We saw her coughing but we never actually saw her die on the boat. Eben escaped so she could have too. The actions of John, Charles, Dawn and Ethan are the reason her husband died. If she blames them for his death, she could want them dead. Also, if she blames the kids for the death of her son, she could want to kill them too. Her powers were never stripped by the Elders cos everyone thought she was dead(or if they were stripped, she could be using the Armstrong crystal). Up until recently, Jake was with the witch hunters too so she had no reason to spare the Circle on his account. She could even be working with the hunters to ensure that they don’t kill Jake. Given the instrumental role Lucy played in the downfall of her Circle, Jake’s mom could have agreed to work with the Hunters if they killed Lucy as initial payment. This would explain why Eben would kill off such a unique character with such a unique talent for what was really a very minor mistake. Plus it would be a HUUUUUUUGE twist. My money’s on Sara Armstrong being the traitor.

    Loved the ep you guys. Can’t wait for next week :D

    • Agrant26

      It’s totally going to be Elijah. It’s who we don’t want to go and that makes the show so much more dramatic. Plus the story behind it makes sense. I think a different twist would be if it was Tatia though. That’d be cool to see unfold.

    • Tony

      Were Rose and Trevor really running from Elijah specifically? I thought that they were running from Klaus, but that they approached Elijah once they found Elena because they believed Elijah and Klaus to still be allies, and Elijah as a man of honor was the one less likely to kill them. Rose ask Elijah specifically if he is in a position to grant them forgiveness; if I remember correctly his answer was rather vague.. But I interpreted that as Rose being worried about Klaus too.
      I’m kinda hoping that a) she was turned by Klaus or b) by somebody who wasn’t an Original, so that they don’t know for certain. I guess I find the idea hilarious that after all their failed murderplans they need to protect Klaus form Evilaric and the hidden stake :)

      Wow, Jake’s mom is a brilliant theory! I always thought that if it had to be a parent, it would be somebody that we have already encountered, to make for a stronger emotional impact. But I completely forgot to take the ones we saw only in the flashback into consideration..

      • Gary65

        They specifically referenced that they were running from Elijah so I assume they meant him. They didn’t even mention Klaus until Stefan and Damon came to free Elena from them. They always talked about Elijah. That’s beside the point that I can’t really see Klaus siring anybody. He’s not the siring kind, unless siring them benefits him in some way.

        • Tony

          I rewatched Rose and it’s a bit confusing. It’s true, they do only talk about Elijah first. But when Elena asks them, who they are running from, Trevor answers: “The Originals. I pissed them off, Rose had my back and for over half a millennium they have wanted us dead.” Though later, when Elijah arrives Trevor tells Rose: “He wants me dead, I need to get out of here, you hand her over he will have mercy on you.” Oh, finally Elijah tells Rose that he has ‘authority to grant her and her little pet pardon, if he so sees fit’; he makes it sound like he represents somebody else besides himself..
          I just think that knowing Klaus’s temper, they would be equally worried about him finding them, after all without their intervention the sacrifice would have taken place.
          Still, you’re right about Elijah being the one more likely to turn anybody without an immediate benefit. And Trevor tells him: “You trusted me with Katerina, and I failed you.” That would imply a stronger connection to Elijah then to Klaus, and because Rose turned Trevor it could mean that Elijah’s blood flows in Rose’s veins.

    • Emily Zitterkopf

      If you look at Bonnie, she is the reason that Caroline is a vampire and she almost killed Damon because Caroline killed that guy. I JUST watched those episodes and really pissed me off at current Bonnie being a hypocrite.

      • Gary65

        How is she the reason Caroline is a vamp? Caroline is a vamp cos the Council members activated a device that would down all vamps. Unfortunately, it also downed the weres so Tyler crashed his car, thus hurting Caroline so bad that she needed vamp blood to survive. Then Katherine killed her. What does it have to do with Bonnie.

        And she was pissed at Damon cos he was the reason Katherine came back and it was his blood that was used to turn her and it was all his killings, plus his opening the tomb, that forced the Council to activate the device in the first place. It was his fault Caroline was a vamp and she was pissed at what he did to her friend. How is Bonnie a hypocrite?

        • Kelly Barker

          Because the Council members were able to activate the device because Bonnie didn’t de-spell it like she said she did. And Bonnie was the one who told Damon to give Caroline his blood to heal her! So it kind of is Bonnie’s fault.

          • Gary65

            And if she had de-spelled it, the tomb vamps would have slaughtered half of Mystic Falls. Of course she should have left it active.

            Yes but who killed Caroline? Katherine. And why was Katherine back? Because Damon made it known that she wasn’t in the tomb where everyone thought she was. So it kinda is Damon’s fault Caroline’s a vamp. Plus, when Bonnie attacked Damon, she probably assumed that Damon was the one who killed Caroline, as she didn’t know about Katherine yet and, of the 2 vamps she did know, Damon was the more likely one to have done it.

          • Kelly Barker

             True :/

  • Agrant26

    I totally agree with you guys when you said that the characters weren’t at school because Stefan wasn’t there. I think the three times they have said anything about school was 1- the very first episode when it’s the first day of school or something and then there is that awkward moment between Caroline, Bonnie, and Elena when they are comparing their lives to a year ago and Elena says that it is her and Stefan’s anniversary of when they met. 2- Rebeka says “see you in physics” to someone. I can’t remember who. (I guess she’s still in school?!) 3-Jeremy and Elena’s phone conversation

    I laughed when you brought up how they only go to school when there is a dance. And since the dances are usually deadly it’s no wonder they are never at school.