Episode #8 - "1, 2, 3 COOTER!" • • Hypable

Glee Chat Episode #8 – “1, 2, 3 COOTER!”

Glee Chat is back this week, with episode 8! Listen in to “1, 2, 3 COOTER!” as Jessica (replacing John for the week), Natalie, Mitch and Coty rehash last night’s “The First Time” episode!

- Jessica takes over for John as he takes a week off from the show
- We rehash the very interesting and exciting episode 3×05 “The First Time”
- We talk about the dynamic between Kurt and Blaine
- There’s an in-depth discussion as to why Darren Criss didn’t have chest hair in the final shot of the episode
- Coty has an interesting theory as to where the Kurt and Karofsky storyline may go
- Rachel and Finn are discussed at length
- We discuss the preview for next week’s episode “Mash Off”
- We find out Australia “doesn’t do Netflix” from Natalie
- We discuss our reactions to the Christmas album which can be streamed in its entirety
- Natalie believes that Lindsay and Alex from The Glee Project were robbed from winning
- We have Shoutouts this week, and Mitch gives his to someone very special

- BONUS content at the very end of the episode features Jessica, Natalie, Mitch and Coty laughing at having to mention Coach Cooter!

If you have any questions or comments about Glee, Glee Chat or the hosts, leave them in the comments section below the posting on Hypable.com!

This episode's hosts: Jessica O'Neal, Natalie Fisher, Coty Wiley and Mitch Clow

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November 9, 2011
John Thrasher

jess0fan

Who cares if Blaine has hair on his chest or not? jeeeze.

http://twitter.com/cotywiley Coty Wiley

I thought it was a very interesting point – something I had never thought of before. It did make me think – do we Americans have an aversion to the portrayal of men with body hair? I think we might!

http://hypable.com John Thrasher

Mitch made a great point about differentiating between the “adults” and the “students.” This is all in line with what little I do know about TV production.

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

For some reason when you said “what little I know about TV production” all that came into my head is that Simpsons episode, when they’re making the Radioactive Man movie:

“Cows don’t look like cows on film. You gotta use horses.”
“What do you do if you want something that looks like a horse?”
“Ehh, usually we just tape a bunch of cats together.”

http://twitter.com/megan_stoll megan stoll

I thought this was a really good point. It’s interesting that there are body image issues for men on TV as well as women on TV. I definitely think America tends to focus on things like this – not really sure why. Maybe they always think that people are going to read too much into it… :)
http://hypable.com John Thrasher

HAHAHAHAHA

Jimmy Rose

Isn’t this, to some degree, about the cultural zeitgeist’s view of body hair? Right now the pendulum has swung to “waxy smooth” but 25 years ago it was mustacheod and hairy: think Magnum PI. There’s a Seinfeld episode that spoofs this issue quite well. Also, if anyone remembers the MTV mini-series “2Ge+her,” they touched on it, too. Personally, I don’t turn on the TV to hold up a mirror to reality. I watch TV for entertainment and for cooking advice. When I turn on the tube it’s nice to see that people who are typically grossly overpaid in relation to their societal importance are made to look as pleasant as possible. If the marketing research shows that viewers don’t like hairy chests, you probably won’t see many of them on TV.

Whether people actually prefer smooth to hairy or whether the media machine is teachine people to prefer it is a “chickin on the egg” discussion. TV shows are often quick to change and adapt to public commentary, and good shows have been ruined because of it. When a show’s producers have the intestinal fortitude to allow the creative talent stick to their vision, the results are often quite good. But such shows often take a while to find their audience, and taking too long brings you within view of the squinty myopic vision of corporate America.

Whoa. I’m really off topic now. So, the bottom line for me is that I’ll go with the age reasoning. I’ll trust that Ryan and Co. have enough spine to shave Blaine because they think it will make him more realistically youthful and not because the surveys tell them to do it.

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

I’m not sure if you’re criticising me for discussing it or the Glee for doing it. I think it’s the former. But exactly, in a roundabout way – who cares if Blaine has chest hair? Who cares, right? If no one cares, why alter the actor’s natural state to show a false image? Actually, quite a lot of people care about that. It may sound nit-picky, but it’s all about the media’s false body image portrayal. That kind of thing is important. It means something. Some 16 year olds do have body hair and acting like they don’t creates body issues for both boys who do, and girls who expect them not to. And this is an analytical discussion podcast – you can expect me and others to take things at more than face value. That’s why we’re on a Glee podcast – because we’re more than just casual observers. That’s the point of us. To nitpick.

gleeferme

It’s super hard to hear what other people are saying when someone keeps interupting. “yeaah..uh…I…uh..I think…yeaahh” grrr be quiet, we can’t hear.

http://twitter.com/noisyhearts Francesca

error – sorry!
http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Sorry, but do you know how hard it is to not accidentally interrupt when you can’t see the other people you’re talking to? We don’t use video chat. It is extremely, extremely hard to judge when people have finished their sentences when talking in a group and without facial cues and body language. It’s annoying for us as well!

http://twitter.com/cotywiley Coty Wiley

Totally agreed, Natalie! :)
Eoin

I thought you guys used Skype which means you can see each other? Maybe not. I love how Natalie is taking everyone’s negative comments and slapping them in the face by replying to their comments.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mitchel-Clow/1144400859 Mitchel Clow

Yeah, that’s something that we all struggle with trying to get down. We’ve gotten better ever since we started having only 4 people on each show; also, I’m sure we’ll get even better when we know each other more =]

Trel

When it comes to the Hair as it refers to Blaine… in gay culture its all about your style..blaine and kurt as manicured as they are you would assume that they’d have no body hair as it would be normal to remove it as apart of their grooming routine…karosky referenced him being a “bear cub” in gay culture those are usually hyper masculine “men’s men” with alot of body hair and muscles/weight the complete opposite of thefairly dainty natures of Blaine, Kurt and Sebastian…its just apart of the subculture within the gay community.

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

That’s actually a very fair point. I have literally no idea if that extent of grooming is done by 16 year old gay boys – I’m a girl, but I wasn’t allowed to wax anything when I was in school – but I totally get your point about the gay community in general. I don’t know if Blaine would fit that dainty stereotype… I think he probably would. So that’s definitely an option, however I think the wider audience would just look at him and go “he doesn’t have chest hair” – I didn’t get the impression that we were meant to imagine he waxed? We were meant to think that was natural? I still think the body image issue in general is a thing, though, because they do the same thing with the shirtless straight guys.

http://twitter.com/heliconian_julz julzjulzjulz

Just listening to this now! Keep up the great work, I look forward to this every week :) Um, just in terms of underage kids being allowed into clubs… they did have fake IDs and even though they were obviously fake, a lot of bars don’t care. The bouncer that let them in was clearly miserable and hardly glanced at them… so I don’t think it was that unrealistic. I used fake IDs in high school and some of them were clearly not mine but they worked all the same!
Emiliz

Okay, I usually agree with a lot that you guys say, but for this glee chat I didn’t. I liked the Uptown Girls performance a lot. I never got the impression that Blaine was going to RAPE Kurt. Yes, he was horny and forceful and drunk, but he was trying to convince Kurt to be spontaneous and sexual with him, not do stuff to him against his will. This reminds me of the Karofsky kissing Kurt in S2. I never saw this as sexual assault. He just wanted to show Kurt that he was wrong about him (I also suspect that Karofsky has very deep confused feelings over Kurt). After Kurt pushed both Karofsky and Blaine away they stopped. Also fyi there was a rumored make-out scene in the car that was cut so…it could be that Kurt was sending mixed signals with kissing Blaine. Also, Klaine’s chemistry is off the charts and I don’t get how you guys can say that you don’t feel Blaine’s love for Kurt. I’ve never seen any of their kisses as dry even if it wasn’t directly on the mouth. The emotion they convey is more important to me than if they are having open mouthed kisses.

Also, one of the crew members said that Darren and Chris went all out in their love scenes. Lea Michele talked about this in an interview and I think that they try to make Klaine scenes sometimes more chaste than straight couples….like the fact that Finchel got a kiss scene in the bed and Klaine did not. I don’t get why you think it is that Klaine had sex for a somewhat bad reason. Yes, they probably wouldn’t have had sex if Artie hadn’t planted in their heads, but ultimately Klaine was thinking about sex even before this (like when Kurt talked to Blaine about whether Blaine found him sexually appealing) and in the end they made love because they felt closer than ever before and they wanted to show one another that….in a physical manner. And Chris Colfer said that the sex scene consisted of kissing and rolling around (all which was cut out of the episode). I do agree that Blaine flirted with Sebastian a little and that pissed me off, but I also think that he is like you guys said somewhat oblivious to things around him. I wished you guys had talked about the fact that the ‘sex’ scenes were nothing more than a little hand holding. I was ok with this because of the sweetness and adoration in the character’s eyes (especially Klaine- I bet you can tell I’m a Klaine fan and a Kurtsie, lol).

Also, I don’t see Finchel’s making love as ‘pity sex’. I know the way it was presented can leave people with that impression, but like Klaine they made love because they wanted to show each other their love for one another and both felt ready. Anyways, I enjoy your Glee chats even if I don’t agree with them. I think this is one of the best episodes of Glee ever. I’m sad that it didn’t have higher ratings but I think that is probably due to conservatives and parents with young children not tuning in. I read somewhere that the episode had high ratings within girls and women from ages 12-24 or something like that though.

Side note: I love Sebastian because of the drama he adds to Klaine, but I do not want him to win Blaine’s affections. I admit to wanting to see Sebastian getting punched in the face by wither Kurt or Blaine (either one would do). lol

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Klainers gonna Klaine.

John and I are on team Blaine-loves-Kurt. The others are on team Kurt-loves-Blaine. I think Roxanne might be the only one of us who thinks they genuinely love each other? Maybe Jess.

We honestly did not want to go into the graphic details of how the sex/making out etc was portrayed, because it’s something very hard to discuss in depth without it becoming NC-17 rated. However, I wrote a blog about it, and you may be interested in this blog by someone I know, which talks about the sex scenes and how they were toned down and what it means from the queer perspective: http://lettersfromtitan.com/2011/11/09/glee-its-different-for-queers/

Also – Mitch didn’t say their kisses were dry – he said they were short and that Blaine’s delivery of lines was dry! You’ve got a bit of a mixed message there.

http://twitter.com/jessoneal84 Jessica O’Neal

Yep. I think they both love each other. They have also both made mistakes and been able to forgive each other. :)

With regards to the car scene…for me it was one of those things where, I never *really* thought Blaine was going to go as far as actually assaulting Kurt, but he was being forceful enough to where it made me feel nervous. I just remember holding my breath thinking “what the heck is he doing and why won’t he stop”. It was just not something I was expecting at all and it was VERY intense.

I liked the fact that the sex scenes were subtle and relied on inference. And I mean this with both couples, not just Klaine. If they had shown anything too graphic it would have made me feel a little uncomfortable since they are supposed to be high school kids and I am a grown woman – it would have felt icky.

Emiliz

Yeah, it definitely made me feel nervous and I think it was supposed to. You see that their love is not only puppy-dog love. These boys are horny for each other, lol. I wish the actual sex scene was a little more racy, alot of other shows that features people who are playing teenagers have sex scenes that are way racier, but I was still happy with it. What mistakes has Kurt made? Are you referring to when in s2 he confronted Blaine for trying to go out with Rachel even though he is gay?

http://twitter.com/jessoneal84 Jessica O’Neal

No, I’m talking about when he essentially asked Blaine not to audition for Tony. Now, I did not think that was as big of a deal as a lot of other people did, but I still recognized that it was selfish. In the end, though, he knew he had been selfish and tried to make up for it with the flowers and by being supportive.

Like I mentioned on the show, I don’t really watch any of the other teenager shows, so I have no way of knowing what those sex scenes are like. And I wouldn’t have been upset if the scenes in Glee were racier, it just would have been a little awkward for me. I would have felt like a dirty old woman, lol.
Emiliz

Oh yeah Kurt did basically ask him to not audition for Tony, although he didn’t explicitly say it. He went along with it when Blaine suggested that he not run. Didn’t Blaine know that Kurt was running for Tony and that it was important for him because of the NYADA thing? I think Blaine shouldn’t have tried to audition for Tony in the first place. Maybe I’m being unfair and both should have had some healthy competition for the role, but if my partner was going for a part and I knew that it was very important for them then I wouldn’t go for that role…especially since Blaine is a junior and Kurt is graduating this year.

I get what you are saying about feeling like a dirty old woman, lol. Haha.
http://twitter.com/jessoneal84 Jessica O’Neal

In reply to Emiliz’s comment below (didn’t see a reply button):

I don’t think it was wrong of Blaine to want to audition for Tony. When you are involved in the arts like that all your friends are also invariably your competition. You just have to learn to deal with it and not let it affect the relationship. But, like I said, I don’t think it was as bog of a deal as others did and it’s over and done with. They made it through and came out the other side stronger than before, so it’s all good. :)

Emiliz

I couldn’t figure out how to reply to your other post, but yeah I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks as I do about Klaine in Glee Chat. Although, I ship Klaine I think Kurtofsky would be an interesting relationship as long as Klaine was endgame. Do you agree? Do you think that Kurt can forgive Dave and learn to care deeply for him? I already think that Dave has a crush on Kurt.

Emiliz

Hmm I never doubted that Kurt loves Blaine. I don’t even ho see how anyone can argue that. Their love seems so obvious to me. I guess I’m on team Roxanne or Jess if they are the only ones that thinks they genuinely love each other lol. oh ok yeah I got a mixed message there, but I think it amounts to the same idea that Blaine doesn’t genuinely love kurt…which I disagree with.

Another scene that you guys talked about which I think most of you didn’t like was the early bedroom scene between Kurt and Blaine where Blaine was dancing and Kurt was asking if he found him as sexually boring. I loved this scene and I loved the normalcy of the kiss they shared. They looked so comfortable together and you can tell the difference between how they act when they are at Mckinley and when they are by themselves. Also, the sexual tension in that scene was palpable and you guys mentioned how the actual sex scene was glamorized (Idr if that is the exact word you guys used). I think the early bedroom scene shows more of that insecurity, tension, and longing that comes along with sex.

However, I thought the afterglow of the sex scene was done so perfectly. That level of intimacy is almost never seen. We get the racy stuff a lot from other shows, but they don’t show the sweetness. I would have liked to see more…like I think that they didn’t need to have them like one foot apart, but the show is on FOX and they are a same-sex couple so sadly it was a little expected.

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

That first bedroom scene was my favorite scene in the episode and yeah, that kiss and the layers joke (which felt like an ongoing meme between them) was so awesome. I wrote a bit more about this below but will probably end up doing my own blog about it – it seriously got me very close to being back on the Klaine train.

HarryGleeHungerFan

The “Because of the Layers” scene is my favorite Glee scene in recent memory because it seemed so genuine… Blaine is both naive & mature (wierd combo) & so him dancing around having a convo about sex with his boyfriend seems perfectly in character to me. I loved everything about this scene.

I also liked what the car scene did for their relationship. Don’t get me wrong, it was not okay for Blaine to try & lure Kurt into anything in the backseat, but he didn’t even go so far as to try & kiss Kurt… he just pulled at him a bit. Kurt didn’t like it & removed himself from the situation. Period. I have to say that the look Blaine gives Kurt (the “why are you yelling at me?” look) melted my heart. Blaine seriously didn’t know he was doing anything wrong & as soon as he realized Kurt was serious, he walked away, but the fight elevated the relationship. It made them both evaluate their behavior, & ultimately led to them getting closer. Sometimes it takes a fight for a couple to make a move to the next level of their emotional relationship. It seems to me that is all this scene was meant to do… Make them both step back & look at what they want.

http://twitter.com/megan_stoll megan stoll

“Klainers gonna Klaine?” GENIUS.

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

This is currently my mental response every time I see someone trying to rationalise one of the boys’ shitty behaviour, or anything negative the writers or actors say, because they still love their idealised fantasy version of them. Which is.. sadly… so common, especially on the forums I go to.

Chris Colfer recently said that he would be into the idea of a Karofsky/Kurt plotline.

People accused Michael Ausiello of making the quote up.

Other people literally questioned and worried about his sanity, like “oh my god, is he sick”

Seriously.

Klainers gonna Klaine.

Emiliz

Yes, I am a Klainer so I will Klaine!!! :)

lol, but I don’t find the idea of Kurtofsky as wrong. I just see things differently to you in relation to how Kurt and Blaine act. We can agree to disagree. I love Karofsky and I think it would be interesting to see Kurtofsky for a little while. My endgame is Klaine, but I would still like Kurtofsky.
http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

I more mean when people are irrational, ignore the truth or are downright CRAZY in order to keep their Klaine endgame – like denying the couple’s problems or saying a respected reporter INVENTED a quote of Chris… haha.

Emiliz

I read the blog that you gave me the link to. It was very interesting and brought up some interesting points that I hadn’t considered about what constitutes ‘losing your virginity’ for LGBT.

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Ugggggh I just wrote this big reply and my browser crashed. Let’s see if I can re-do it in dot points.

- Thanks for reading that blog. It wasn’t mine, was someone in fandom’s, but I did write one myself about he same issue – a little more frank and less personal experience than the LfT one I linked you. But I’d appreciate if you read it! It is a huge issue, in my opinion, and there are a lot of double standards in straight/same sex relationships: http://controllist.blogspot.com/2011/11/some-questions-about-ins-and-outs-of.html

- I saw you talking to Jess about Klaine and why Kurt is in the wrong. Here’s the thing. I wanted to ship Klaine. I loved both characters, both actors, and before they got together I thought they would be great together. And then it happened, and even though I wanted to support it, I couldn’t, because of how Kurt acts in a relationship. He is selfish and manipulative, and while I know that’s Kurt’s personality in general, I expected being in love to make him NOT be, at least with the person he loves. His love for his dad makes him selfless.. changes him.. his love for Blaine does NOT. Between the prom, manipulating him into transferring after her’d clearly thought about it and chosen not to, and the musical audition, it was all incredibly selfish. Blaine prioritising Kurt’s feelings, Kurt not looking after Blaine’s feelings in return.

I am not trying to convert you, but I would appreciate if you read my blog about that as well because it’s something that I literally don’t WANT to be thinking, but I can not help but look at it objectively, and a lot of people don’t look at it objectively because they just want them to be cute together.

why I don’t ship klaine, even though I want to: http://controllist.blogspot.com/2011/09/opinion-time-kurt-and-blaine.html

I Am Unicorn recap with my thoughts about the musical audition: http://controllist.blogspot.com/2011/10/3×02-i-am-unicorn_03.html

You brought up the one aspect of those auditions that I had not ever considered – you said that it was wrong and selfish of Blaine to consider trying out for Tony – I assume you mean, before he told Kurt he wouldn’t – like before that dance rehearsal scene? I don’t know how I feel about that. I see your point – but Blaine is incredibly oblivious and non-competitive, and thought it wasn’t a big deal. He basically said he was going to sing one of Tony’s songs but as a junior did not expect to get the role. When Kurt hinted he should not go for Tony, he was like “yep, no big deal” and he specified that on his audition form – and they offered him the part even after he’d specified it.

Maybe I would feel like he should have never done it if I felt like Kurt had communicated his actual feelings about the situation – but he didn’t. And they were open auditions – as much as Kurt and Rachel wanted that show to be about them for NYADA, it was NOT actually their private NYADA showcase and they had open auditions. They’re not dating, but if Mercedes was really Rachel’s friend, should she have not auditioned for Maria because she knew Rachel needed to showcase herself for NYADA? Blaine just wanted to participate and be involved. When he felt that his auditioning may hinder Kurt, he took his name out of the running – but they offered it to him anyway. I think that if K/B had communication about that, a lot of the drama would have been avoided, but it literally felt like what you see on screen is ALL they communicate, like that they don’t talk off-screen or share their feelings with each other. There were a few examples of this in the first few episodes. The reason I liked them in The First Time – though at the moment it is existing in a bubble for me and Kurt’s selfish issues aren’t forgiven – especially the transfer – but the reason I liked them is because all their scenes felt much, much more like they actually TALK. That first scene with Blaine dancing, I could write you an essay of conversations that I felt like that referenced, like it was a very clear picture of not only them privately but what they may have talked privately about in the past. Also, Kurt at the bar being like “i don’t like that kid” about Sebastian – very honest, open. Their relationship here seemed so much more healthy to me, and if they keep going like that, I may be able to get back on board, but the end of s2/first three episodes of s3 I seriously wanted to put a cactus in Kurt’s bed. And he used to be my favorite character and the light of my life.

WHOA, okay, so that was a long re-write. I hope you read my blog.

Emiliz

Okay I disagree with many of your points in both blogs. It is well thought out and I plan to get back to you in depth about why I disagreed. I need to think about it and write it out lol. I can see how you came up with the things you did and they are valid, I just don’t agree.

I think that Kurt did communicate his feelings about the audition by showing how he was so excited about it. I think Blaine needs to learn to be less oblivious. I wouldn’t go for a role that my partner is running for and which matters soo much to him because I wouldn’t want to take that away from him if I won that role. If it mattered to me as much as it meant to my partner I would discuss it with him. I wouldn’t assume that it is okay to run against him. Again, I think that Blaine is oblivious in a lot of things. I don’t see Kurt as selfish in his relationship with Blaine. He is indulgent and has Blaine wrapped around his finger lol, but I don’t see him as selfish.

I saw Kurt’s asking Blaine to transfer as him wanting to see his boyfriend way more especially since Dalton is so far away. By this point their relationship is so established that I didn’t see this as too crazy. I think its a little crazy, but remember that Ryan Murphy needed to have Blaine transfer. I also see Blaine as a guy who loves like Rachel does. He is intense. Kurt is too though. Their love is intense. I think Blaine’s parents probably don’t pay him much attention and they probably don’t care much if he transfers…which makes me sad. I also think that Blaine might be jealous of Kurt’s relationship with Burt because of this. It would be interesting if the show tackled Blaine’s daddy issues.

I got pissed when Blaine agreed to meet Seb and then I got pissed because he was dancing with Seb while his boyfriend watched. I get that Blaine doesn’t see Seb as a real threat so he felt safe in doing what he did, but I don’t agree with it. These are things that are obviously wrong to do, in my opinion, but we can forgive Blaine because his actions come from a good and oblivious place. At least I can forgive him for this reason.
http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Even if that WAS Kurt’s reason for Blaine to transfer – it’s still selfish of him after he asked Blaine to, Blaine decided “no”, and Kurt pressured him more and even threatened breaking up. Threatened in a joking way, but that is how Kurt manipulates – he tries to make people feel like they’re doing him a favor. He’s done it all the way through the entire series.

I’ll be happy to read your thoughts, as long as you are addressing Kurt’s manipulative tendencies and how they fit into it all – which, whether you consider to be love or not, are still evident and a part of the situation, they can not be denied. Even if it is done from what Kurt sees as love, it’s “I LOVE YOU SO I WANT YOU WITH ME AND BEING PART OF WHAT I WANT” whereas Blaine’s is “I love you so I want what’s best for you.” Kurt loves selfishly, Blaine loves selflessly.

Blaine is clearly attracted to Sebastian. I’m not saying he’s gonna do anything about it, but he IS attracted – he’s flattered, intrigued and flustered by the attention by someone so sophisticated and Alpha Male-ish. His denial to Sebastian wasn’t “I’m not interested in you” it was “I don’t want to mess anything up with my boyfriend.” He is attracted, but his heart is winning out over his dick, which is nice.

But Blaine didn’t need to transfer, Darren didn’t want Blaine to transfer, and I have a bucketload of issues with it off-camera, regardless of what happens in-character. I actually wrote an article about that situation for Hypable, it was our number one story that week. Did you ever get a look at that? http://www.hypable.com/user-posted/2011/09/23/glee-rage-post-blaines-a-what/
Emiliz

Okay I don’t see the reply button so I put the post here. Can we just agree to disagree on how we see Kurt’s actions? I don’t think he is selfish. And I see your points, but like I said I think he is indulgent not selfish. I don’t see him like you do and that is okay. Since, I don’t see him the way you do I don’t think I’ll post my thoughts on your blogs. I don’t want to offend you or anything and many of my thoughts stem from a different interpretation to Kurt’s actions and thought process. I see that Kurt can be a little manipulative and that he pushes for things but I love that side of him as well as his vulnerability and sweetness. He was willing to back down on having Blaine transfer after that early talk in the Lima Bean. He goes for what he wants and if he can’t have it he lets it go and does something else. I love this about him.

I think that the whole Blaine being attracted to Sebastian thing is debatable. I think he is most definitely intrigued and flattered, but ……attracted I’m not so sure. I just think its debatable and was left open for interpretation..so far at least.

I read the ‘Glee Rage Post’ lol. I knew about a lot of the information posted on there before I read it…like Darren not wanting to leave the Warblers and his not knowing what grade his character is in. Many of the characters didn’t know. I wanted Blaine to be a senior soooo bad and I really don’t get why they made him a junior. They probably just wanted to make sure they got another year of the marvelous Darren Criss. You already know my thoughts on why Kurt asked Blaine to transfer and that I was ok with it for the reasons I provided. I just wish they had made Blaine a senior for continuity reasons.
http://twitter.com/jessoneal84 Jessica O’Neal

I am on your side in this Emiliz (I read the two comments below, too). Natalie and I debated this same issue in the comments of the Glee Chat episode 3 “Did Will Die”. I don’t want to repeat it all here so if you want to see any of it you can look there, but suffice it to say, I think Kurt loves Blaine and I don’t think the transfer/WWS audition things were as big of a deal as Natalie does. So, yes, we have agreed to disagree :)

http://twitter.com/HarlsQ Jasmine Hinds

I would just like to say that I love Sebastian!! I am glad that they have someone to give our cast trouble other than Santana all the time

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Seeing as Santana is pretty much my favorite character and I don’t ship Klaine, I am also loving Sebastian. But the boys hate him, haha.
Emiliz

I love and hate Sebastian. I like that he brings out the jealous Kurt and that he provides Angst to the Klaine relationship, but I also want to see Kurt punch him square in the face, lol. And I dig his cockiness. It makes me gasp in a ‘what in the world did you just say’ way.

B.

another great show guys!! (Coty is my favourite on this episode)

did anyone catch Blaine’s “Mckinley is where my heart is” line?

http://twitter.com/cotywiley Coty Wiley

Oh my gosh! I was just thinking about that line today! Did you notice how he said it like he totally did NOT believe it?

Also, thank you for the sweet compliment.

B.

hahaha!!! you’re welcome but no actually i thought he was sincere and that proves that he only transferred to Mckinley for Kurt because he loves him o so much (i’m a Blaine fan i’m afraid)… but i do love the banter you have with your co-hosts its hilarious!!!

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Of course it proves it – however, doesn’t mean it was healthy or valid of him. It’s actually kind of crazy.

B.

i know its unhealthy but… he is crazy in love!! i know people do a lot crazier things for their first love! besides i think Blaine is one of them intense lovers. people like Blain don’t always think with their heads but with their hearts. i remember last season when he said ‘i love you’ to Kurt i swear i stopped breathing for about a minute!!
http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

You’re preaching to the choir. His love is INTENSE, like this is one of his true loves that will be with him/scar him forever. I don’t think the same of Kurt, even if I don’t think that Kurt will regret Blaine or anything. I just don’t think he will be as affected. Blaine loves the way Rachel loves – he loves with his crazy.

I actually wrote a blog about this.

http://controllist.blogspot.com/2011/09/opinion-time-kurt-and-blaine.html

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

I did, and I thought it was wank, and while he probably thinks he means it, seeing how happy he was back at Dalton and how much he obviously missed it made me depressed. Sorry about your life, Blaine.

I still don’t think “being with my boyfriend” is a valid reason to transfer schools and find it unrealistic that his parents would allow it.

Somebodypersons

“I just wanna live here! I wanna live here and…make art!And help people…”-Drunk Blaine Part 2
haha this was my fav part! I really hope blaine get’s drunk again, it’s hilarious! Although you would think he would have learned by now…sigh:)
I disagree with you guys, uptown girl was AMAZING. It’s been stuck in my head for a total of 5 days now. And I like Sebastion, other then him tring to break up kurt/blaine. Also CAN SOMEBODY GIVE ME A SHOUTOUT! i am going to ask every week untill it happens:) Also, as I have said before, my name is Sydney, and Somebodypersons is my creeper-safe name. I just thought you should know so if by any chance someone was to give me a shoutout……;) You know you want too! please!

B.

i love the Westlife cover of ‘uptown girl’ they are a British boy band. not a huge fan of theirs but love their version of this song
http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

“I just wanna live here! I wanna live here and…make art! And help people…” – I loved this sooooo much purely because drunk!Blaine basically equals sober!Darren.

Anonymous

Really entertaining episode, nice work! There’s just a couple of things I slightly disagreed with:

1) There was a lot of talk nearer the end about how some of the podcasters wanted the show to explore the emotional impact of sex and how that changes things a little more yet most seemed to dismiss the issues with Blaine’s drinking. I do agree that, being his first time at a bar, he probably just went a little overboard but I also think that teens drinking excessively is a lot more damaging than having sex – especially in the case of these characters who were in relationships with a person they love when they made the thought out and discussed decision to lose their virginity. I don’t necessarily know if this will be a plot point or ever brought up in the show but I do find it incredibly strange that romanticising consensual sex between people (who are, I believe, depicted as being over the age of consent) is seen as a more damaging thing to do than to glamourising binge drinking.

2) There was some brief discussion of Brittany’s “alien invasion” line but, for the most part, it was laughed off. Seriously? I found that comment pretty disturbing. Last season I genuinely questioned if Brittany would even be CAPABLE of consent. While she has, I feel, been written as more mature and self aware this season, I am still wary. As someone on the podcast mentioned, she’s been only not a virgin since season one, which would have meant she’d have been quite young when she lost her virginity, so the phrasing of that line raised a red flag with me. But, as a great man once said…this is Glee. Who knows if any of it really ‘means’ anything.

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

I paid homage in this week’s episode.
http://twitter.com/jessoneal84 Jessica O’Neal

I don’t really think that they did glamorize drinking. I think that it actually showed excessive drinking in a negative light. Blaine acted in ways that he NEVER would have if sober. With the glamorization of sex, even though most of them were 17/18 (Blaine’s a junior, so he’s 16/17) they are still in high school. With a culture that throws sex around like it’s nothing, I just think it would be good for Glee to show that there are some very deep emotional things that happen. I’m not saying it was right or wrong for them to have sex, I just want them to show it honestly.

I’m the one who wondered how old she was, but I also tend to think it was just a line for comedy. I really think they just went a little overboard with how dumb she is because people loved all of her one-liners so much. I could certainly be wrong, but I just don’t think there is more to it.

I’m glad that you enjoyed the episode, though! We have so much fun doing them and it’s nice to know it comes across. :)

Anonymous

Maybe it’s a cultural difference (I’m a Brit) but I honestly, genuinely don’t think sex or losing one’s virginity at 17/18 is a big deal. Obviously it’s a personal thing and no one should ever feel pressured to do anything that they don’t feel ready to but I think at that age a lot of teenagers ARE ready and don’t suffer and negative emotional consequences from their decision. As I said, both couples were in stable and loving teen relationships and I honestly don’t think that the portrayal on the show missed out on anything with regard to those two couples. That is what a lot of people’s real life experience is like, in my opinion & based on my experiences, of course.

As for the Brittany line, I have read several recaps and reaction posts that have mentioned it and I think the big issue at hand here is this: if that WAS intended by the writers as a throwaway line then…what the heck. The implication was clear – from what I’ve seen online it’s been picked up on by various people in fandom and in recaps/press – and I have to say that I think it’s disgusting to use something like that as a throwaway gag, y’know?

Thank you for responding though! Obviously with any show there are always multiple readings and interpretations, just thought I’d add mine to the mix.

http://twitter.com/jessoneal84 Jessica O’Neal

Ah! Yes, it probably is cultural. It’s kind of ironic when you look at the media and entertainment industry here, but in general we are a fairly prudish country in the US and I am from the south which is even more so. :) But, I would like to state that I don’t necessarily think it was wrong for those two couples to have sex. I have a lot of friends who are teachers and I hear so many stories of kids in MIDDLE school experimenting with sex and that does worry me, so that’s kind of where this is stemming from for me.

I’ve read a lot of the press about the Brittany line, too. Who knows, they may do something more with it, especially now that it’s gotten so much attention. But I do see your point about it being a poor choice if it was intended as a throwaway line.

I love discussing/debating things like this as long as it is done respectfully, so thank YOU!

GB

Can Natalie please a) turn down her mike volume or b) stop yelling into her mike?

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Noted – I’m not yelling, we all sound the same on the Skype call.
http://hypable.com John Thrasher

Natalie’s right…I think it’s the raw audio file when it converts. I’ll keep this in mind in future edits! <3

http://twitter.com/Tygridia tygridia

It wasn’t painful or anything, but I got scared a couple of times when that happened…

Layla_S

Great episode as always. :) coty is awesome ::)

anyway onto my point. I am a 12 year old girl and before you go into all the oh you shouldn’t be watching glee phase, let me say this. i feel that glee tries to find the happy median between adults and kids – they try and make it interesting for both groups

Honestly, i didn’t really enjoy this episode maybe because there weren’t enough storylines in it. I found it quite boring with basically the only bit i truly enjoyed was seeing the warblers again.

A thing that was overhyped in this episode was the sex scenes between Finchel and Klaine. I was really nervous about this because i usually watch glee with my parents and that sorta makes an awkward situation. when i finally watched the episode i was like oh is that really it.

One thing i always disagree with natalie on is her dislike for Kurt/Chris Colfer. In my opinion he is the best character and basically the only one with an interesting storyline. Kurt only became a favourite of mine in season 2 after the Britanny/Britney episode. I think that Chris plays the role of Kurt amazzingly and i can’t think of the show without him.

One more thing, am i the only one who can’t stand finn as a character. He barely has a storyline and now i feel he’s just there as rachel’s boyfriend and that random kid who used to have every solo in glee club.

Don’t get me wrong i absolutely love glee this episode just bored me a bit, but watching the preview for the next episode made me feel excited, it looked amazing.

Sorry for my rant…
Gopher

Grant Gustin sounded so shaky in his lines and looks so clumsy. I didn’t feel anything between him and Blaine. I think Blaine was mostly caught off guard by being objectified like that and intrigued by someone who is so “out there” (an insufferable, bragging bore and creepy stalker, in my book). If someone called me “sex on a stick” or propositioned me like that, I’d probably blush and feel nervous too, even if I wasn’t interested. I don’t want any more Sebastian on my screen, especially since Kurt and Blaine are of one hand and heart more than ever. There are better stories to tell without trying to create melodrama.

I don’t like making love a competition, like this person loves more than the other. Cut Blaine and Kurt some slack, they are teenagers working out how to be in a relationship, but there is genuine love and palpable chemistry!

The car scene upset me a lot the first time because I expected Blaine to stop sooner, but upon second viewing didn’t seem like as big a deal. I don’t think Kurt felt like he was in danger, just angry with his drunk, horny boyfriend. It makes me sad that now some people equate Blaine’s actions with Karofsky’s.

Natalie is coming off a little too bitter about Klaine for my liking in the comments, so I don’t want to listen to the podcast. I just want to enjoy the good feelings I had about the episode (do my “klaining in peace”). I do share her disappointment with a lot of choices the writers and producers have made regarding the transfer though, and I wish we got to see more of Kurt and Blaine’s conversations and what it’s like for them to be a couple too. I think the show is just too overcrowded and there are probably some censorship issues as well. I hope the magical Klaine dynamic from this episode will carry over and make Natalie a believer again! :)

http://twitter.com/nataliefisher Natalie Fisher

Gopher – I’m sorry I’m too bitter for you and I do not know how I feel re: Klaine yet, but I will say – if you just want to enjoy the show in peace, this podcast is probably not for you. We don’t just sit around and squee over it – the point of the podcast is to be critical and analytical – reviews and podcasts in general aren’t really that enjoyable for the kind of people who want to just like what they like and not have the bad things pointed out to them. However, in this particular episode of our show I had nothing bad to say about Klaine, really.

Gopher

p.s. I think Kurt’s love for Blaine does soften him (who else does he let so deep into his private world, under the sartorial and figurative “layers”, or let himself be that vulnerable around?) Even with his dad he can get a little defensive/bratty/scheming at times. He’ll bring out his claws when he feels like he needs to fight or protect his loved ones. The inequality some people feel (Blaine sacrificing a lot to be with the person he loves) may be addressed more as the season goes. Blaine admitted to missing Dalton, but it makes him happy to be with Kurt, and he’s slowly gaining experience at McKinley, starring in the play and trying to bond with New Directions (spoilers say he and Finn will bury the hatchet and join forces at some point). I’m tired and not really making coherent points about anything…just, Kurt and Blaine both have a lot of insecurities, but I think overall they are so good for each other, and when they really communicate (which is something they care about doing) it is in a mature, loving way.
Melle

Just a quick comment about the discussion on body hair in American television or lack there of, body hair is all but erased in American culture. If you look at commercials, TV, movies, music videos men and women tend to lack any body hair at all. Traditionally this has been more pervasive with the enforcement of women being hairless (shaving ones arms and legs was uncommon until the 1920′s) some theorize this might be to make women seem more childlike. More recently men are being held up to the same standard of hairlessness as women.
Anonymous

Am I the only person who thinks Mr Thrasher sound like Darren Criss?

http://hypable.com John Thrasher

LOL! Everyone keeps saying this, and I don’t think it’s true!

Somebodypersons

I don’t know if anybody here is a Huger Games fan and saw there trailer, but at the part where Peeta and Katniss are on the roof, Peeta sounds like Burt Hummel:)

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