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Tonight’s episode of Glee, “Shooting Star” just finished airing. Come chat with other Glee fans and check out a preview of episode 4×19 “Sweet Dreams.”

Tonight’s episode, “Shooting Star,” focused on some pretty heavy material that hadn’t really been touched before on Glee. But it’s not the first time Ryan Murphy has gone down this path. Remember the first season of American Horror Story?

What are your thoughts about tonight’s episode? Was the subject matter at hand handled well or do you think the episode didn’t really prove a point? Also, what are your thoughts about the Brittany and Sam situation? It sounds like Brittany is planning on graduating! Also, what was your favorite musical performance? We’re just glad that Lord Tubbington is getting some of the camera time that he deserves this season on Glee, that’s for sure!

What are your thoughts about how season 4 is going to end? With the news of Cory Monteith’s absence from the final episodes, it has been a very dramatic couple of weeks for all of us Glee fans!

Let us know what you thought in the comments section below.

Glee returns next week with an all new episode titled “Sweet Dreams.” Check out the promo for next week’s episode right here:

  • http://twitter.com/Dillon_Mays Dillon Mays

    Very well done, but it was pointless for characters like Blaine to sing in the end when he had no major plot with this episode.

    • Jen

      He had as much plot of any of the other people singing in the song

      • http://twitter.com/Dillon_Mays Dillon Mays

        No he didn’t. He had one scene with Tina then two lines in the choir room. Now, Kitty, Marley, Ryder, and Sam all had scenes in the choir room where they were talking and confessing and fighting. It makes sense for them to sing. Not Blaine. Just stupid fan-servicing.

        • Jen

          You’re right, It made so much more sense to have Heather and Chord singing to about how much they love a cat then to have Darren as one of many people singing a group song about the experience they all just went through together.

          • http://twitter.com/Dillon_Mays Dillon Mays

            I’m not even talking about that song so don’t go there. I was talking about the last song.

    • Marie

      I mean, all of them were part of the being-terrified-we’re-going-to-get-shot plot.

      • http://twitter.com/Dillon_Mays Dillon Mays

        They were all apart of that, but why didn’t Unique sing? Why not Artie? Only the people that had those big scenes within that room should have sang.

        • Becca

          Why? They were all there. They were all part of it. They all went through the same thing.

          • http://twitter.com/Dillon_Mays Dillon Mays

            Yes, but he didn’t contribute to the plot. he only spoke twice. It’s pointless to have a character sing if they’ve been in the background the rest of the episode.

          • Becca

            He’s also, in my opinion, one of the best singers.

  • http://twitter.com/IrishMike15 Mike

    I am crying, and it’s one of the few times Glee has done that to me. Those videos at the end, and Becky, and Ryder, and “Say” was just beautiful and why can’t they all be this good?!

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.ruiz1 Peggy Ruiz

    VeryWell Done. I Feel So Bad For Becky. Sue Was Amazing. Like I Said Before… So Many Feels

    • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.ruiz1 Peggy Ruiz

      BTW…sorry for the weird caps sitch. My phone’s keyboard is being weird.

  • TinaK

    I felt they just kind of stuck it (the shooting) in the middle and then glazed over it after it happened. They easily could have devoted the entire episode to that serious of a topic. The writers have lost touch.

    • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.ruiz1 Peggy Ruiz

      I Don’t Think So. Have You Been In School With Bomb ThreatsAnd Violence On A Weekly Basis? It Does Blow Over Within A Week.

  • dlskin

    Well…that was intense

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=17127641 Laura Jurgensmeyer

    Totally called that with Becky. I thought they did the part where everyone was scared and didn’t know what was going on very, very well. It was suspenseful and intense. The metronome really added to it.

  • Sage

    So….I guess Glee is canceled then…Sweet baby Jesus, why?

    • http://hypable.com John Thrasher

      ??????

      • Sage

        I don’t know, it kind of felt like glee had nothing left to lose and just threw caution to the wind. It’s just starting to feel a little over the top like Popular did right before it ended. I’m just scared Glee is trying to get in its last hoorahs before the end. I don’t know, maybe I’m just distrusting because of the way Ryan Murphy broke my heart with the ending of Popular.
        And that’s not to say it wasn’t an awesome episode! Glee has never made me shake like that. As always, Glee has the power to make me feel things no tv show ever has. It was incredible and chilling and Glee’s writing staff really stepped it up. I’m just scared with the show not being renewed for a fifth season yet that this is the note that Glee will go out on with only a few episodes left of season 4.

      • Sage

        And also, HI JOHN! I’m a huge fan of GleeChat and I’m practically sitting on the edge of my couch trying to will the next episode to be available already! I can’t wait to hear what you guys have to say about this!!! :D

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.john.sass Michael Sass

      Exactly what makes you say that?

  • theaterboy1

    This was by far the most emotional I have ever been during a Glee episode! I thought the subject matter was handled extremely well! My favorite performance was “More Than Words”! I was actually really surprised at the end when they revealed who was at fault. I feel bad for Ryder though in this episode, Blake Jenner did his best acting I have ever seen from him in this episode in my opinion!

  • Marie

    The first 30 minutes were completely stupid. Especially Bieste liking Schue. Yuck.
    The actual fear during the shooting was good, and I’m so glad Kitty finally fessed up to Marley. All the acting during that was wonderful during this, and it blew me away.
    I still cannot believe Brittany didn’t think about Santana at all during this. Maybe she was thinking about all the Glee club people, but Sam? Yuck.
    Man, poor Sue, but good on her for trying to help.

    However, my big struggle with this episode was that it would’ve worked SO MUCH BETTER with the original cast. I still am not completely convinced all these people really care about each other, and Will really hasn’t spent THAT much time with most of them, so him saying he loves everyone was way less impactful than had it been Rachel, Finn, etc. in that room.

    • http://twitter.com/infinitelymolly Molly Hussey

      i completely agree! the original cast would have been so much more powerful!

    • luna97831

      Hahahahaha unfortunately I had read your comment before I saw the episode and the entire time I was thinking to myself how much better the moment would have been if the original cast had been there.

      I think the writers probably want to give us more “Glee 2.0 Bonding Moments” to convince us that they can hold it up by themselves (remember that sickly-sweet moment a couple episodes ago where Kitty said something to the effect of “everybody’s going and we’re the next generation” or something?) I honestly wouldn’t even be surprised if they had thrown around the idea to do a school shooting episode last season or something and they said “Yeah, no, let’s keep it for the new kids.”

      • Marie

        This episode did confirm something very important for me though. The 2.0s aren’t bad actors (particularly Blake and Becca). But for whatever reason, the writers can’t write them well. I place all blame on my apathy towards them on the writers.

  • Firebolt2398

    I have absolutely no complaints about this episode. None. So well handled, poignant, emotional. The last time I cried like this during Glee was On My Way. In addition, the acting in this was phenomenal. By everyone.

    People say that Glee is losing its touch. Sometimes it really does feel like that, and I wonder why I keep watching. But every once in awhile, there’s an episode that comes along and reminds why this show is still valuable to us. This was one of those episodes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/SarahTipton Sarah Tipton

      I really did like the interactions between the students. My favorite part? The goodbye video. Hands down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1840730980 Michael Vartanian

    OMG, I loved it…especially Lady Tubbington. Wish we knew who was playing Ryder tho… Also, I hate that Sue covered for Becky like that she needs to see professional counseling after a stunt like that. Are there reports of Jane wanting off the show??

    • http://twitter.com/StarkidSims Simone

      Jane is going to be in the musical Annie, which I assume is the reason for writing Sue out. Don’t think it’s permenant though.

  • http://hypable.com John Thrasher

    So…who’s left for us to think is Ryder’s catfish?

    It’s apparently not:

    Jake
    Marley
    Unique
    Kitty
    Tina (she didn’t leave her phone in the choir room did she?)
    Brittany
    Sugar (she wasn’t there)
    Blaine (he had his phone with him)
    Joe (he wasn’t there)

    So it could be:
    Artie??

    • http://twitter.com/IrishMike15 Mike

      Shue?

    • http://hypable.com John Thrasher

      Beiste?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1840730980 Michael Vartanian

      The Catfish didn’t show up so My guess is still Unique although who knows Mr. Shue could have had a backpack in that pile…

    • Kathleen

      Couldn’t it still be Unique?

    • Janna

      Artie had his phone with him. That is how he made the video, right?
      It could be Brittany b/c she left her phone in the room while she went to the bathroom.

      • theaterboy1

        I could definitely see it being Brittany. It could go something like…Brittany: “I almost gave you a fish until Sam told me what it actually meant. I think everyone needs love in their life.”

    • theaterboy1

      Did Ryder question Unique because if he did I missed it. I think it might be something Artie would do, in a misguided attempt to bring Ryder hope. But if Ryder questions someone then of course they’d deny it, right? So it still could be anyone (except Blaine and those who weren’t there). Could be Sam too, though I haven’t yet thought of a reason why he’d want to Catfish Ryder.

      • Lucija

        Ryder debunked Unique because it wasn’t her ringtone, I don’t think he actually questioned her.

        • Marie

          I heard that, and I thought, “Hmm. . .sometimes, people change ringtones. Or have special ringtones for certain people.”

    • Darren’sGirl

      I think it could be Unique but that didn’t look like a bag she would have.

    • Jake

      It’s clearly Unique, because of the foreshadowing a few episodes ago when she and Ryder were having that feud. Because she knows how Ryder feels about her, she’d be afraid of confronting him. Hence, cat fishing him.

      • http://twitter.com/jtinch Jack Tinch

        Ryder said “We know Unique’s ringtone is bootylicious so it can’t be her”

    • Marie

      Brad the piano man?

      Speaking of which, why is he back? He was free! And then he returned and continued to deal with the kids’ BS.

    • Marie

      Can I just say, it’s ridiculous that NO ONE knew whose backpack that was? I knew what my friends’ backpacks looked like. At least, the ones I saw every day. -facepalm-

      Also, the catfish was a really, really terrible catfisher. Why would you pick someone who goes to the same school to use the photo of? WHYYYY??? And Marissa seemed really chill about people using her picture for people to catfish her with. And I still don’t get why Ryder’s immediate thought was that it was Jake or Marley. It’s OUR thoughts because it wouldn’t be obvious, right? Ugh. . .

      • Laura Jones

        Ryder said why he thought it was Jake/Marley. He said something like “I know I made a move and I shouldn’t have but you don’t have to humiliate me!”

        • Marie

          Yeah, but it still doesn’t make any sense. That’s totally not Marley’s character, or even Jake’s. His other thing was that it had to be someone close to him, to know what to say? Maybe this person was just very understanding. It. . .made no sense.

      • Andy

        On a random note, I cringed when she said “Oh this is what happened to Manti Te’o”. Come on Glee, we are capable of recognizing what storylines you’ve stolen from reality without you spoonfeeding us!

    • Enelya

      I think Unique and Kitty were the only ones they didn’t show texting. Maybe Jake too. Brittany didn’t have her phone on her so it may have been in a bag in the choir room, but catfishing doesn’t seem within her character

    • http://twitter.com/plischt plischt

      Even if I would hate it, it still could be Jake … wouldn’t exclude him just because he’s denying it.
      Don’t think it’s Marley, she’s just too nice for that and has no reason anyway.
      Unique’s still possible … you can have different ring tones for different people.

      or maybe it’s Puck. Kitty could have his cell phone in her backpack for some reason ;)

    • Laura Jones

      what about Sam’s phone? I mean it clearly isn’t Sam but have to cover all grounds right?

    • Sofia Malik

      I know this is a long shot, but I’m really hoping that it’s someone in the band. The kids in the band are always there to accompany the glee kids when they randomly break into song and they are never even acknowledged! They never say anything, they never complain. The band guys deserve some appreciation from the glee kids! They’ve spent just as much time in that choir room as the rest of them!

      • Phantomfluteplayer

        If I could be character on Glee, I would want to be one of the be one of the band kids (and actually have a role other than just playing my instrument). As a flute player myself, I know how much time it takes to prepare anything musically, and I hate that they are never given any credit. I mean, Brad the Piano guy has been acknowledged, but the student musicians never get any appreciation for all the hard work I am sure they put in. This is actually one of my larger pet peeves on Glee.

  • Kathleen

    Not sure how I felt about this episode yet, it was pretty intense. Did anyone else notice that the “secret glee club meeting” was in the auditorium? Where was the mandatory assembly happening?

    • http://hypable.com John Thrasher

      Probably the gym where the other have been, I’m guessing.

    • http://twitter.com/jtinch Jack Tinch

      My school’s are always in the gym

    • http://www.facebook.com/amber.carney3 Amber Carney

      I totally said the same thing. But I guess John is right, probably the gym.

    • Marie

      Yeah, I thought at first that the Glee club was going to be performing at the assembly. It was weird.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lucas-Colvara-da-Cunha/100002222517083 Lucas Colvara da Cunha

    Best Episode EVER!!!!!! Totally emotional and it was the first time I can say that Glee make me cry a river!

  • Gary65

    Was anyone else profoundly disturbed by the camera-work in the opening. That whole angle where the camera was a bullet and it shot to Brittany really freaked me out.

    • andy

      I was hoping that it was supposed to be the comet/asteroid/meteor/TubbingtonBop but it certainly did seem more like down the barrel of a gun…

  • Vanj203

    Wow!!! This episode began with another ridiculous Brittany “end of the world” scenario, and ended with a real “end of the world as we know it” situation. I was so scared along with the glee clubbers during this show. I was really impressed with the acting. I’m glad that the kids talked about and to their parents during this episode because it so often seems like they don’t have any. Especially glad to hear how nurturing Blaine’s parents were after this event since he never talks about them. Interesting how they showed Tina’s survivors guilt – that is a real thing with soldiers and others who have been spared from trauma.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anna.wolf.908 Anna Wolf

    The first 20 minutes felt like the same old “wtf” Glee but when paired with the second half, everything was brilliant. Once we got to the very end the entire episode was well explained and actually seemed necessary for the story, which hasn’t been the case in a long time. A pleasant surprise tonight.

  • dlskin

    I think this shows that this cast can hold the show without the NY crew. I have become progressively more and more tired of the NY storyline and would be ok with them leaving and focus on this group.

    • Jen

      For one episode, I mean I think that the new cast are definitely able to carry the show, the divided focus doesn’t allow for enough of either set of storylines. But the network execs/advertisers might not think that there are any big enough names without Chris, Lea and Naya, and Cory at this point, to carry on the show. Especially if Ryan Ian and Brad are departing.

      • dlskin

        I think that “big” names are less needed than familiar characters. The familiar characters are the current seniors and for next year we will be more familiar with the “new” crew. Who were Chris, Lea, Naya and Cory 4 years ago when the show was consistently fantastic? They were nobodies and they didn’t have the ego’s to get in the way. I know this is just asking for it on a response to a Glee episode but I am so over Lea as a person lately (she seems so in genuine every time I see her) which spills over into me not being able to stand Rachel as a character. And same with Naya (please don’t have me Glee fans!!), her recent interview where she said she was disappointed in the direction Glee was going made me dislike her as a person. That would like me giving an interview to a newspaper saying how I hate the direction my workplace is going. It gives me a bad taste about her as a person which then makes me not able to stand a second of screen time she has. But I love Chris :)

        • Caitlyn

          Really? I appreciated that Naya saying she was disappointed in the direction the show is going. I think it’s honest and didn’t seem disrespectful.

          • dlskin

            I also thought this comment about how they worked for hours on the closing number and the new people just run around was snarky. True, but snarky. Maybe it was just the overall tone of the article

        • Marie

          I think she was just saying she missed hanging out with the old people. Not the same thing as disliking where the show is going.

    • Marie

      I think the actors are all pretty capable (mostly Becca and Blake. I’m still questioning Melissa and Jacob). My problem with the newbies is that, for the most part, they aren’t written well, or with much depth. Perhaps if they had cut NYC off from the beginning, I could’ve gotten into them, and they could’ve gotten more development. I think this episode, they were in a situation that was done in a way where feeling for them was easy. I think by the next episode, I’ll go back to completely not caring about them again.

  • http://twitter.com/AntaraC Antara Chowdhury

    What do you guys think about Sue taking the blame for Becky? Most of the reactions I’ve seen have been positive; they’re all praising Sue for being a good person and covering for Becky. But it just doesn’t feel right to me, and I don’t think what she did was okay. What if Becky does that again? What if she accidentally shoots someone instead of shooting at the floor??

    Sue was Becky’s mentor, and the only adult figure in the school who cared about her. Now Sue is gone from the school. In this episode, Becky says she also looks up to Brittany, but Brittany will most likely be graduating this year. What if Becky gets lonely and scared again, and feels abandoned? She doesn’t think like a typical teenager. I don’t think it’s okay to assume that this incident will be enough to make her never bring a gun to school again. She didn’t get in trouble this time, and there may come a day when she’s at a terrible point in her life, and decides to bring a gun to school again. Only next time, there may be terrible consequences.

    • Vanj203

      Yeah, perhaps this storyline will come back around with Becky freaking out again in the same or different ways, and Glee can show how important it is to have mental health options available for troubled youth.

    • Marie

      Yeah, I think it was pretty irresponsible. Clearly, Becky is in a very dark place, and I feel like she should at least tell her parents, or talk to Emma about calling in Becky about her the feelings, at least, even if she didn’t want to reveal Becky bringing in the gun.

    • Ellen

      I 100% agree. First of all, I don’t think have a mental disorder excuses bringing a gun to school. Under no circumstances is it okay. But yes, Sue was extremely, extremely irresponsible. If this was real life, Becky wouldn’t just move on and be a-okay. She would do something to dangerous towards herself or others again. She would need to have psychiatric help. She’s bound to feel scared again at some point in her life, and she can’t use a gun whenever she does.

  • Tawn

    Am I the only one that thought there were three gun shots? I thought there was another one when the girl was running in the hallways trying to find an open room….. could’ve have been a door opening but I was pretty sure it was a gun shot….
    Other than that I thought the acting was good… although it was kinda a predictable twist that it was Becky and that the mystery person is someone in the choir room. (I still think it’s Unique)

    • Darren’sGirl

      Yes! I thought I was the only one who heard that too!

    • Marie

      Well, I just re-watched. Will clapped his hands (which did sound kind of like the gunshot, actually), and then the gun shots happened. So that might’ve been the reason for the confusion?

      • http://forgiveyourmind.tumblr.com/ Tariq

        He clapped his hand right when the first gunshot happened and then there were two additional shots. From my memory, at least that’s how it happened.

        • Ev42

          I just watched & immediately rewatched after. The first gunshot is right when Will claps his hands, no question. The second is immediately after. I think the rest might just be doors slamming, though?

        • Marie

          Ah, ok. Either way, it was a little confusing.

  • http://purplehrdwonder.livejournal.com/ Caitlin Kelly

    I thought the first half fell pretty flat, though Blake killed Ryder’s reaction to finding out he was being catfished. Once the shot went off, though, I felt like I couldn’t catch my breath and I *still* feel sick to my stomach. I’m very impressed by how the subject matter was handled.

    • http://purplehrdwonder.livejournal.com/ Caitlin Kelly

      The more I think about it, the more I’m thinking that initial flatness was intentional. Something didn’t feel quite right about it — it was shallow because it was just the general everyday stuff, a lesson the kids aren’t taking seriously (and the mention of the Mayan Apocalypse at Christmas was also deliberate). And then it’s all thrown out the window as soon as those shots go off. The “Last Words” assignment actually comes to fruition through Artie’s video of everyone’s messages to their parents, so there’s a distinct juxtaposition of what is important and real and real versus what isn’t. Very, very haunting.

      • Marie

        I agree the intention was to show a normal day for the Glee kids (normal being really bizarre in this world), and I did appreciate that. However, I wish that the normal, shallow stuff wasn’t so. . .stupid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.john.sass Michael Sass

    That was so intense. I felt like I was in the choir room with them. Really well done.

  • Jen

    Why didn’t Will seem concerned about Emma? Isn’t she in the school too?

    • theaterboy1

      She took a leave of absence after she ran out of her wedding I think. That might explain her absence. Or she was sick that day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amber.carney3 Amber Carney

    I’m still recovering. This episode was SO well done. I saw people tweeting in the beginning that it was “stupid” and “why they stopped watching glee” but if they would’ve stuck around until about half way through they would’ve seen what was some of the BEST material glee has ever pulled off. Even though there was the classic glee cop-out because no one got hurt, the way they handled it made it work fine.

    Personally, I have no complaints. This is one of those episodes that when you watch it for the second time you will get even more out of it because of all the foreshadowing that happened.

    LOVED IT, SO WELL DONE.

  • TeamBrittanaGleek143

    Wow.. that was just emotional. I loved every second of it. When The gun shot went off I like was expecting a shooter to be shown but this was 100x better than I expected. I praise Ryan Murphy for writing this. And I praise Heather Morris, Chord Overstreet… Darren Criss… For their phenomenal acting in this emotional episode. Praise!

    • Laura Jones

      i agree…Heather, Darren and Chord-brilliant

  • http://twitter.com/ivangatewood Ivan Gatewood

    Nene Leakes AND Idina Menzel next week, I think I might have to start watching again.

  • Andy

    I have to say I am SHOCKED at how well done this episode was. They handled everything so well, managed to make some fantastic commentary without being preachy, and the acting was off the charts. I don’t think I have ever cried so much during Glee. Thoroughly impressed with the cast and the crew on this one.

  • Faye_

    This episode completely terrified me. The use of the metronome as a literal, and artistic, representation of time was genius. Plus the acting was raw, and some of the best work on the show. That scene was perfect.

    That being said, I am somewhat conflicted as to how I feel about the offender being Becky. On the one hand, her character shows how typically “harmless” and “naive” (for lack of a better word…?) people can be influenced by pressure, and reach a breaking point. Likewise, it also showed how easily accessible it is for anyone to get a hold of weapon in the United States. This includes those who may not be fully aware of the real risks involved, and/ or capable of understanding finality. (Though admittedly, I am not sure whether or not Becky falls in that category.)

    However, there is another part of me that does not like that they chose to use the character with a disability as the offender. Personally, I believe society already has a very distorted view of people with disabilities. This is especially true for those with intellectual disabilities, such as Becky. I worry that using Becky might cause viewers to link the incident directly to her intelligence, and/or ability levels. And while those things could have contributed, a person without a disability could have done the EXACT same thing. I would just hate for this to cause further stereotyping.

    Perhaps I’m thinking too much into it. I would love to hear what others think.

    • Andy

      You definitely make some very good points. I do have to say that I don’t think people who watch Glee take too many lasting lessons from it, so they might not read into it as her being stupid or any significant commentary on people with Down Syndrome. I think they handled it well with not having her actually shooting anyone – she went to Sue and explained everything and asked for help, and the gun firing was a complete accident. There was no malicious intent behind it and there was never any indication given that she intended to use it, nor was she bringing it for some sort of revenge or something. I mean, I almost thought from the beginning that they were setting up for it to be Ryder, with how angry and upset he was but I think that would have led to too many things for the show to deal with without just writing him out. Having it be Becky (although I recognize that this is problematic) allowed them to have it be a character who didn’t mean any harm, with an interaction between a teacher and a student they trusted entirely, and meaningfully bring up a relevant topic without glamourizing it. I do agree with other posters though that hopefully there will be some further development of it with the character, I would imagine in a situation like this Sue would be very familiar with Becky’s parents and – were the show real – would tell them

      • http://twitter.com/plischt plischt

        It wasn’t an actual shooting and we don’t know exactly what Becky planned to do with the gun (Maybe ‘just’ prepare/defending herself) … I think this is a different dynamic than showing an offender with mental disorder and simply blaming it on his illness/disability.

        • Faye_

          True! Great point! I think that would have been inappropriate. But you’re right, it is very different. I’m glad they didn’t go that route.

        • Marie

          I’m still a little confused about what her intentions were, personally.

    • Marie

      For me, at least, Glee does a really good job of making Becky more than a girl with Down’s Syndrome. I didn’t even really think about that aspect. I just thought of a girl who was really, really scared about graduating and didn’t know how to handle it.

      • Faye_

        I agree with you. Glee has always been great about showing Becky as a complete person, and not only focusing on her disability. And maybe this is just a further extension of her, as a character. Indeed, they did showcase her as experiencing the same anxieties many other “normal” (hate that word!) teens face.

        I suppose I was mostly concerned from a political standpoint. There is no denying that Glee wanted to make a statement regarding gun control. And while most educated people probably wouldn’t form political opinions solely off of a television show, there are always those “yahoos” who may argue the validity of the message by implying that the actions of a person with Down’s Syndrome are somehow less relevant. I’m not saying that makes any sense at all! Because it doesn’t. But like I said… “Yahoos.”

        I just don’t want the real messages of gun safety, and school violence to be lost because of people choosing to be ignorant. The last thing I want to hear is the defense that these things happen solely because of people with disabilities/ “unstable” people. (Which has largely been a defense in the past, except regarding mostly mental health.) Sure, there is no arguing that such things can contribute to actual tragedies. However, there are so many more factors (accessibility of weapons, societal influences, media coverage, home life, bullying, educational opportunities, etc.). And perhaps, though not necessarily, using another character could have helped eliminate that defense, and prevented possible generalizations..

        • Marie

          I see your point. I thought it was kind of out of character for her to react to stress in THAT way, and really, it could’ve been anyone (I had Jacob Ben Israel in mind before watching the episode). I would’ve preferred it to be something more like that. But whatever.

    • dlskin

      I agree with you, I was very torn on this issue (my co-worker and I just had a talk about it actually). I think the point they were trying to make was that the way that students/people with a mental health issue, whether that be Down’s Syndrome or Schizophrenia, is not handled correctly. Since there isn’t a character with Schizophrenia, just as an example, they went with Becky. Sue touched briefly on this when she was talking to Will and Bieste before she turned herself in. You never know with Glee, but that is the vibe I got from her

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003094208029 Stephanie Evans

      Maybe it’s just because of the way I read her characters behavior this episode, but I feel like it was kind of obvious that the reason Becky was freaking out was because she’s aware she has Down Syndrome. However; Her mental disability in and of itself wasn’t the cause. She’s terrified of what it will be like for her after high school, where no one will protect her anymore. She’s very smart, and I must agree with the other comments about this. It only crossed my mind briefly, and came across as something Becky was thinking but did not want to say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Froglover16 Lyndsey Salisbury

    This episode was amazing. The most emotional part for me was when they filmed themselves. However I do have a bone to pick with who ever wrote Jake’s scene… It was super sweet that he said he loved his mom and Puck but what about his sister??? I know we’ve never seen them meet but I assume Puck introduced them… Whatever It’s not a big deal I guess. This episode had me on the edge of my seat, something TV hasn’t done for a while. It was intense, sad and even extremely funny. Ken Tanaka anyone?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Katherine-Kelly/100000111045763 Katherine Kelly

    They haven’t renewed the show for a fifth season, and I feel that this episode proves that they should. People wonder about how the show will survive if the original cast members (i.e. Rachel, Finn, Kurt, etc.) aren’t on, and this proved that the newbies can hold their own. It also showed those who thought that glee was losing its touch that they can tackle serious issues like this one, and do it in a classy, sophisticated way. I was thoroughly impressed.

    • Jen

      It’ll have to wait until the next episode to see if this one has an indication that it’s good enough for another season. They could easily drop everything that happened this week, not talk about Sue or the shooting (in the same way they didn’t talk about Matt other than “he transferred” or Quinn’s baby for an entire season), and in so much of the episode being in NY and the guest stars…this episode showed that the new group were amazing actors, but this was a very unique situation, and its hard to say if the storylines that they give the characters outside of the context of a school shooting can hold their own for an entire season. It also showed that the writers can handle a single episode well, which has never been a problem. It’s the episode-to-episode basis that glee repeatedly fails on

  • http://benchpressabear.tumblr.com Joan

    I thought the episode was very well done and particularly appreciate the intensity and seriousness with which the topic was handled. (I thought Chord was fantastic inside that room. The best we have seen him yet.) However, I did feel that they kind of overplayed it with the recording of messages to loved ones? I don’t know. I felt that went a little overboard, but overall I’m very satisfied with what they did.

  • http://benchpressabear.tumblr.com Joan

    I thought the episode was very well done and particularly appreciate the intensity and seriousness with which the topic was handled. (I thought Chord was fantastic inside that room. The best we have seen him yet.) However, I did feel that they kind of overplayed it with the recording of messages to loved ones? I don’t know. I felt they went a little overboard there (dramatically speaking), but overall I’m very satisfied with what they did.

    Now, I HOPE, that unlike a lot of the stories that seem to disappear from Glee, they give some well-deserved continuity to the aftermath of these events, and that they don’t just “get over it” by the next episode. For example, the issue with Becky and Sue is still there. I really hope they address that down the line.

    • Becca

      I don’t know about you, but if I was in a room, and thought there was someone with a gun outside, my mind would immediately jump to ‘omg, i’m gonna die’, and I would definitely want to say something to my parents, etc.

      • http://benchpressabear.tumblr.com Joan

        I didn’t say it wasn’t realistic, just that it was a bit over the top for me.

        It is realistic that some people might do that, just as it is realistic that some people might push that camera away from their face…like some did… It’s a very individual thing. Under such circumstances, one doesn’t really know what they would do unless they are already experiencing it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003094208029 Stephanie Evans

          Keep in mind, the Glee characters themselves tend to go over board and get “over-dramatic” about things. Which makes sense;most of them want to become actors, singers, ect

          • http://benchpressabear.tumblr.com Joan

            Yeah, I can understand that, though that I still think it was ultimately a directorial decision to do it the way they did it.

  • Kavitha

    This episode was just perfect. Everyone’s acting was amazing, particularly Heather’s and Chord’s. Just. wow. I’m still not over it, I still feel like I’m in it. And the plot twists were amazing. I didn’t expect them so that was wow. I can’t even form coherent thoughts right now. just wow.

  • Colin

    Well, I thought it was ridiculous.

  • http://twitter.com/Super_Lulu1 Lupita

    My only problem with this episode is with the first 20ish minutes of the show. It felt
    like the first part was written by one person and the second half by another more
    talented writer.

  • lorepottter

    I think it was a good episode. i think is Unique the one sending the txt and poor Lady Tubbington in Sam’s locker

  • Gary65

    Mr. Schue threatens to rap and someone starts shooting. What a surprise(said no-one ever).

  • LilyLuna

    I commend Glee for handling such an intense topic so well, while everyone was hiding in that choir room, the metronome ticking down what might’ve been their last moments, it was terrifying, their fear was palpable. I felt like I was there, I could hardly move except for shaking from crying so hard. I do think this shows that despite it’s flaws, Glee really can be great when it tries to be.

  • http://twitter.com/plischt plischt

    I think it was really well done … especially the scenes in the choir room.
    Interestingly the goodbyes from Artie and Kitty felt to me like if they came from RIB … Anyone else had that impression?

  • http://twitter.com/chelsaat Chelsey Saatkamp

    Blech. One of the worst 40 minutes I’ve ever seen. It was just done so, so horribly wrong.

    • Jen

      Perhaps a more constructive critique than “Blech” might lend some legitimacy to your opinion. How was it wong?

      • http://twitter.com/chelsaat Chelsey Saatkamp

        Yeah that was a gut reaction, but mainly I felt it was exploitative, done simply for ratings, and will probably never be spoken about again, because it’s Glee. I’m not great at articulating my gut feeling, but I think this article I found at BuzzFeed summed it up pretty well.

        http://www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/why-school-shooting-episodes-need-to-stop

  • Kristen Kranz

    This episode handled the subject matter very well. I’m really impressed that they managed to address this topic without creating a “bad guy”. I was afraid that they were going to either create some crazy reason for someone to bring a gun to school (AKA the Ryder freak out at the beginning of the episode) or have it be someone that no one knew. By making it a character that we all know and love, we understand the circumstances surrounding the incident, and can focus instead on the feelings of our characters and see how they cope with the stress and fear. I applaud Glee for handling this subject so well. And bravo to the cast for acting this so believably. Marley’s fear for her mother, Blaine’s clamming up and not really saying anything, Artie’s wanting to share thoughts with the world no matter what happened, and especially Sam’s need to get to Brittany all really hit me. I especially want to point our Chord Overstreet’s acting when Shue and Beiste had to physically restrain him. I BELIEVED him. I felt his fear. Congrats Glee. Can’t wait for next week.

    • luna97831

      Completely agree with you about Chord’s acting- it was definitely the highlight of the episode for me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lilliempeterson Lillie Marie Peterson

      I honestly thought it was going to be Ryder. When the shots went off I kept looking to see whether he was in the room.

  • http://forgiveyourmind.tumblr.com/ Tariq

    The only good part of this episode was the whole school threat part. The beginning was mediocre like always and the ending was dissatisfying. The acting during the school shooting was phenomenal and really surprised me, but that’s really the only thing I can think was positive about the episode. And this isn’t just because I’m really disliking Glee nowadays, but for the reasons below.

    The fact that they 1) made Becky bring a gun and 2) had Sue take the blame is really disheartening and disappointing. This is not only furthering stereotypes about mentally disabled people and associating them with being more unstable than they really are but also saying that it’s ok for a teacher to take the blame if the student did this. It’s never okay for a student to bring a gun to school, ever. Not in this situation, not in any situation. And Becky isn’t going to properly learn her lesson or trust anyone fully now that Sue isn’t there. For all we know she might revert back to this emotional state and bring a gun again.

    It’s also an outrage that they showed a student bringing a gun to school with no real punishment. What are students going to think now? That they might have a teacher that sympathizes with them and they’ll get away with it? What a HORRIBLE message, even if it was unintentional.

    The thing with Glee, in my opinion, is that the majority of episodes have no plot continuity and has been going downhill for a while. I feel like they’re hoping this episode will put it back in everyone’s good graces with the acting and the message they TRIED to send, but their message didn’t work so well and one good episode doesn’t excuse them for a series full of plot holes. That’s what they’ve been doing though, putting out theme episodes and attempts to get everyone’s attention back…but with the last original Glee Club graduating this year and Cory Montieth in rehab and Ryan Murphy potentially not returning for next season, I hope that they take the remaining episodes in this season to really shine and outdo themselves and end the show on a high note, no pun intended. I’d like to see Glee go back to how good it was when the pilot aired early before it’s premiere. That was good television.

    • jozefd14

      I didn’t feel the ending was dissatisfying. When Will made the weeks lesson as last chances, I already started getting for the Glee club members and the school to what will happen. I felt the ending was perfect in that it brought up the thing that we don’t always think but just keep at the back of our heads that life can end in a snap and that we don’t know when that it will be.

      There’s this TV host in the Philippines who always says to say “I love you” to your loved ones/friends because you don’t when it will be their last moments in this world. I can say that because in 7th grade, I was given the opportunity to be with my friend at a fund raiser prize where we got to watch a BMX rider at school. The following week, she passed away.. I was thankfully given the last chance to even be with her because in that year I didn’t have a class with her. I have high hopes that the last remaining episodes of this season will end with a band and hopefully it will get renewed for a 5th season.

    • http://twitter.com/chelsaat Chelsey Saatkamp

      Agree 100%. The fact that there’s hardly any continuity means that this episode was produced simply for ratings, which makes me a little sick inside. And the Becky thing…my goodness. Just dealt with so, so wrong.

  • Caroline

    I felt like that was a pretty inappropriate subject, especially with the amount of shootings that have happened the last few months and to pin it all on Becky. That felt like a gimmick, as if just because she was Downs syndrome she’s not smart enough to know how a gun works. It seemed like an easy way to get rid of Sue, if you ask me. I would have much preferred if they had created a brand new character to have done the shooting. It would have made more sense and been less offensive. On the bright side, the acting during the shooting was great, but as a story I did not enjoy it whatsoever.

    • Andy

      The accidental firing has nothing to do with her having Down’s. How many times do you hear in the news about a kid accidentally shooting his brother? Or a “trained” tech at a gun show accidentally setting off a loaded weapon, or the vice president accidentally shooting his hunting partner in the face? One of the biggest issues around guns in the states is that people are uneducated.

  • Alice

    This was a really well done episode (except for maybe the first 15 minutes). The acting was really admirable and it was terrifying. I would say they handled this heavy subject as well as they handled suicide. Both had me in tears.

    Hope next episode will keep up! And please tell me I was not the only one that noticed “All new next THURS-DEH!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=71303210 Roy Rouell

    I liked this episode even if these are the ones that drain me to watch them. Bieste liking Mr. Schue was a bit odd but I can see where it was coming from. Even as an adult I feel closest to the people that treat me the best and well sometimes they feel an awful lot like falling in love with someone. You just have to be careful and pick your way through your emotions. I think that is what this episode was about. Be careful with your emotions, what you say and what you do, because if you aren’t people get hurt. As for Mr. Schue not having enough time with all of those kids, remember that right now it is supposed to be near the end of the school year and he has had more time with them than it looks like. Each episode is supposed to be a week and sometimes more than a week is supposed to happen between them. And well when you teach children and teens you get close to them quickly because you have to work so close to them every day for about nine months out of the year. After the first month you are already starting to get close to the ones you teach.

  • Laura Jones

    WOW. I think they handled this episode extremely well. The acting from the kids in the choir room was so good. Especially from Chord, Darren and Heather.

    When Britnnay was in the toilet stall when Shue walked in and then when she realised it was him! I was holding my breath the entire time! Darren made me feel the absolute terror of that situation and Chord, the desperation to make sure the one you love is safe.

    When Sue confessed, I was like “ugh really? that’s the excuse for the gun shots?” but the flash backs to Becky made me cry.

    Along with the suicide episode, glee proves it can tackle a difficult topic well.

  • Miranda

    On a rewatch I couldn’t stop crying in the 10 minutes of the choir room. Despite the amazing performance of the cast, my initial two thoughts remain. 1. This would’ve been much stronger last season when I truly believed the bond between the ENTIRE glee club, Mr Schue, and even Beiste and, 2. It shouldn’t have even been done honestly, it just, didn’t need to happen, and I could’ve done without it (although I did LOVE Kitty’s development because of it)

  • Hannah Rose

    When a program tackle issues aimed at young people it seems producers have a debate on their hands. Do they show the real consequence of the actions and problems or tell their audience – that even if you go through these things life is okay. Jame Bond is bulletproof – but that why he is the lead – we don’t watch the agent who has the life span of a fruit fly because that’s where the actions comes from but seemingly the cast of glee are immune to harm themselves. The cast have survived car accidents, teen suicides, bulimia and now a ‘school shooting’. If you text and drive and crash your car, you don’t always get up and dance 4 months later, If you attempt suicide because you are being heavily picked on you don’t always survive, if you throw up because you are desperate to be thin you don’t always feel better after singing a song. Gun crime is a serious issue in America, and when gun are brought into school, not every student comes out safe. Glee has become a world of no consequence.

    • http://twitter.com/potterfan92 Raina

      THANK YOU!!!

    • Jen

      This was not a school shooting. It’s not like they had some psycho with an AK storming the halls shooting people but everyone was ok. Car accident – Quinn was in a wheelchair and did physical therapy. Suicide – Dave was found by his dad and spent time in the hospital. Bulimia – Marley went to therapy. Sure they could have killed all three of these kids to teach a lesson, but Glee has always been about overcoming things, about making mistakes or causing accidents or losing your way but managing to come back stronger for having lived it. If it wanted to be a show about all of the tragic ways teenagers could die or have terrible lives it’d be CSI: Ohio.

    • Marie

      I think it would’ve been really interesting if Brittany had AT LEAST been injured during the shooting (had it been an actual shooting). It would’ve been a logical reason for her character to not be in the rest of the season, and it would’ve been intense. I would’ve been so sad, but loved it.

    • Ellen

      I agree! Glee needs to decide whether they are a comedy or a drama and stick to that. If they want to be a comedy, then they need to stop the controversial issues. If they want to be a drama, then they need to take the issues seriously and have actual consequences.

  • http://twitter.com/Dillon_Mays Dillon Mays

    Catfish is Tina. There have been plenty of Tyder moments before this to foreshadow this storyline.

  • Becca

    Like everyone else, I wasn’t impressed with the first 20 minutes or so, however, I feel like they may have done it for a reason. I think they made the first part so dull and uninteresting to show a massive contrast between that and the horror, and panic when the shots happened. Also, the acting in the choir room was unbelievable. Especially, Heather Morris, Chord Overstreet and Darren Criss. Wow, definitely the best I’ve seen them in a long while. I also really enjoyed the last song, not just because I love that song, but I think they did a really good job with it. Hopefully, this acting continues, and it isn’t just a one off, because if it does carry on, it will prove to everyone, that these people could hold the show up, without the need for the NY kids.

    • Becca

      Oh, and I forgot to mention about Becky. I think that they have tried to portray Becky as the same as everyone else as much as possible on this show. And I think they still are doing. I don’t think they had it be her with the gun, because she has Down’s Syndrome. I think they are still showing her as a regular person, and anyone could accidentally have shot that gun. For someone who has never used/been near a gun before, it is relatively easy to accidentally shoot it.

      • http://twitter.com/Tygridia Tygridia

        Completely agree with you… It’s her because she is a beloved character who is not in the Glee club. She is scared, she thinks the world is dangerous and she is a kid so she decides to carry a gun around to “protect herself”. They didn’t do it because she has Down Syndrome, she did it because she is scared and she has access to guns…

  • Caitlyn

    I didn’t really care for this episode. I’m not saying that the acting wasn’t good or that it wasn’t handled seriously enough because I believe that it was. But there were no stakes and no consequences. I never for believed for one second that anyone was going to get hurt or not make it. I know a lot of people don’t want Glee to do that. They want to have these serious plots, but a happy ending ultimately. I get that, it is called Glee after all. But if Glee wants to be the show where they do plots like this, then I think that they need to show that there are consequences. At least I hope that they show that there are psychological effects of events like this in the episodes after this.

    Also, it really felt like this was two entirely different episodes smashed together, like the ridiculously crazy and stupid Spanish Teacher and the very serious On My Way. For that reason, mainly the first half, I don’t think I can label this a solid episode entirely.

  • http://twitter.com/Hmarjus2 Martrel A. Howard

    Glee made me cry soo bad. the only other time ive cried was when Burt (Kurt’s dad) was in the hospital… Sue I love her for protecting Becky but realistically Becky needs help. If Sue is the only one that knows it was Becky that leaves Becky open to harm herself or someone else in some other way.

  • Kara

    Personally I loved the episode, everything about it–excluding the BeisteXShue plot line. As I watched it I couldn’t help but admire all of the cast’s acting abilities, but I also couldn’t stop thinking about the Newtown shooting… These older kids were hardly able to control their emotions, so it pains me to think about those children in the same situation. I hope that Glee actually sticks to this storyline because it was so powerful. I think that Becky will confess to Britney that she was the one who brought the gun, and then Britney will encourage her to do the right thing and tell Principal Figgins. Becky is going to be so lost without Sue, so I hope that they address that as well.

  • Branden

    This was great, but…i don’t know it just doesn’t really flow with the rest of the season that well. It felt like American Horror Story with the bathroom scene, a completely different feel for the show. Don’t get me wrong, it worked, and it was fantastic, the whole thing was fantastic. i guess my problem is that Glee has these really stupid episodes where implausible things happen and trivial problems are expanded into hour long episodes…but where do they go after this? Because after this episode, where everything was so raw and the real characters came to the surface, how am I supposed to care about something like a feudal mash-up with nicki minaj? When Tina says “I didn’t want my last words to be something stupid about solos,” I was like, then what is your character, and this show, going to do for the rest of the season? What else do you know how to do? On that note, the rest of this season better step it up with grounded, high-stakes storylines that I give a sh*t about. I think they set the bar too high for themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=515348470 Stephanie Godfrey

    I thought this episode was fantastic. They really captured the fear and uncertainty that I imagine most go through in that type of situation. Marley not being able to get a hold of her mom, Sam wanting to get to Brittney, Blaine being worried about Tina…it was great. I was in tears, and that is something that hasn’t happened since the graduation episode. Oh and the goodbye videos were so sad…well except Sams…it made me laugh a little. I seriously think they thought they were going to die…and who knows, maybe some people who have been through a school shooting have done that because they really thought they were going to die.
    Sue covering for Becky I think it was sweet to a point. She really does care about her and that is the reason why she said it was her gun, but I do think Becky might need a little help. I also hope people don’t actually dwell on the fact that it happened to be someone with a disability. We don’t exactly know what she was going to do with the gun. Its obvious that she is afraid to graduate and afraid of the future. I know I was afraid of the future too…and some people just cant handle it.
    I don’t really have anything to say about Sam and Brittney, but that’s just because I like them as a couple. I think they are cute.
    Also Bestie liking Will…I’m not gonna lie, I sorta saw that coming a while ago.

  • Ryan

    Way to make up for an entire season of awful.

  • Atlas Shrugged

    I’m reading through the comments on how everyone loved the episode and I don’t know what’s wrong with me but I just….didn’t. I mean, it wasn’t awful or anything but it kind of fell flat to me. I am not opposed to a “shooting” episode but felt like the timing was off. And I am sure this will all be swept under the rug next week, never to be heard of again. Or made into a joke like “oh, remember how we had that gun shot at the school and we never spoke of it again? Oh, hahahlololol.” I do admit the acting was good but again, the episode just seemed out of place.

  • Kay

    I stopped watching at the end of last season. I only care out Rachel and Kurt. Just give them their own show already!!!!!!!!!!

  • chelsea

    i think that this is probably the best episode of the season..the acting was great, and it dealt with a real issue in a way that wasn’t completely stupid

  • luna97831

    I loved the majority of the episode. The acting and delivery were dead-on, and the tension they were able to create was INCREDIBLE. HOWEVER, I know this is really nitpicky, but how the school actually dealt with the shooting was really terrible. First of all, Schue, the LAST thing you are supposed to do in a lockdown is RUN OUT INTO HALLWAYS AND SAVE PEOPLE IN BATHROOMS. I know it was really chivalrous and stuff, and I love Britt to the moon and back, but to dissallow (is that even a word?) Sam to run out and then go and run out himself anyways was awful. How did he even know which bathroom Britt would be in??? Was he running around the school with a possible gunman in the hallways trying to locate which bathroom Britt would be in?? That part made absolutely no sense to me.

    I’m sorry, but Schue almost ruined the moment for me. I have no idea which writer has something against his stupid character, but to give him lines like telling him to tell the kids to TWEET PEOPLE was almost comical.

    In any case, this was an episode with very, very few flaws and I fell in love with Chord Overstreet all over again. Schue can just be permanently ill from now on.

  • http://willywonka-andthe-gingerfactory.tumblr.com/ John B. McLean

    I feel that the writers and producers over at Glee copped out. They didn’t have a real shooting episode. It felt very commercial. It wasn’t impactful because of the fact that it was so over the top and anticlimactic. It was a waste of an hour and Glee was only trying to boost it’s ratings by making a comment on today’s hot button issue. I am very disappointed Ryan Murphy.

  • Laura Jamieson

    I thought Glee handled this episode really well, and Heather Morris had some AMAZING acting.
    When they showed marley’s mum looking at the pots on the oven I thought they might do some sort of fire or something…
    Definitely think the ‘catfish’ is Unique or Kitty…but maybe Brad left his phone in the choir room? ;)
    It would have been interesting if Brad had been in the room with them when the gun went off…

  • guest02

    I know i must be so heartless but this episode was so terrible. Glee needs to decide for what tone it is going for because after all the ridiculousness and wacky antics of previous episodes, you cannot have a serious and dramatic episode like this one. It makes the series very superficial…simply raising the stakes when the writers want to just to create drama absolutely creates a mockery of film and tv making. I would have actually preferred a series more focused on drama, and songs ONLY when necessary. THen it ends up being becky who accidentally fired the gun.. there wasnt even a shooter! So the writers ended up half tackling the episode instead. And we know that no one in glee was going to get shot because they just wouldn’t go that far. It was a very inappropriate episode considering they didn’t even tackle the issue with a real shooter and using it as a storyline in light of recent events does not make a good episode.

  • Abosuba

    Loved the episode and everybody’s comments, but what about the other mistery of the episode? Who’s Katie! I honestly have no idea! I wanna hear your theories!

    • Risikafox

      Am I the only person beginning to wonder if it’s Brittany? When Ryder called Katie, the phone just kept ringing in the middle of the room. Now, it’s possible that whoever just dropped their phone in the panic, but Sam did say Brittany didn’t have her phone on her.

  • alameda auntie

    Did anyone notice the flattened ears and very wide eyes on Lady Tubbington? She looked stressed, and though I know her sounds were edited in, her growling {purring?} was pretty alarming. I hope that’s just how the cat looks, because I feared for Chord and Heather in that scene.

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